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03-29-2011 , 04:17 PM
OK, so going into the post, I know my play pre-flop was a horrible experiment gone wrong, and I'm sure none of you would ever make the same mistake.

1/2 NL

I raise UTG +2 to $10 with 32 hoping to rep a big pair. I get callers from button, SB and BB.

Flop($40): 647 SB and BB check I lead $30. Button shoves all in for $74. I call.

Turn and river comes A10.

Villain turns over A9 for top pr and I fold face down. A little later I realize that dealer has exposed my cards and I get huffy about it. Someone at table, possibly dealer, says that it's a called hand and he has the right to see. I make a stink and say it's a prick move and proceed to leave the table.

Anwyay, besides being way too tired and rude, was I right to be upset that my hand was shown, or am I just a big baby who should learn his lesson and stop raising with 32s?

(Side note I end up going to $2/5 and turning $350 into $800 so I should really thank him.)
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03-29-2011 , 04:23 PM
If someone requested to see the hand, in many rooms the dealer is supposed to show it.
So, yes, a bit crybaby-ish.
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03-29-2011 , 04:26 PM
Yes, I think you are being a baby. I rarely ask to see my opponent's cards. I did the other night. He showed one and I asked to see the other. The one was enough to win the pot with a 4-card flush on board, but he had raised out of the SB and I wanted info.

He got pissed and said to let the dealer do his job, that I wasn't in the hand and that I had no right to ask to see his cards. I calmly told him anyone can request to see the hand and that he has to show two cards to win the pot. He wound up getting sucked out on for all his money an hour or so later so I was pretty happy there. Would have been happier if it was me, though.
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03-29-2011 , 04:32 PM
Yea I figured as much. I need to learn to go home when I'm tired. Next time I will man up.
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03-29-2011 , 04:35 PM
I would learn to appreciate the value of showing a missed hand/failed bluff. It will get you paid in the future when you flop gin .
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03-29-2011 , 04:58 PM
yeah dude..suck it up.
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03-29-2011 , 05:12 PM
Thinking about this a bit more, I would proudly slap it over and shout "That's how I roll, bitches!"
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03-29-2011 , 05:19 PM
"Nut low, ship it!"
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03-29-2011 , 06:13 PM
For those interested, use the search to read more than you'd ever want to know about "I want to see the hand" or IWTSTH.

As for a one time in this forum before I lock every IWTSTH thread in the future:

Poker historically required everyone at showdown to show their hand, whether they thought they had a winner or not. Rule books from the 1920's clearly state this. Somewhere in the 1940s, people started changing the rules so that people didn't have to show unless someone requested it. I suspect it was Oswald Jacoby who did this to make poker a bit more friendly. By the 1950s, IWTSTH became the standard.

Over the years, people became used to to mucking without showing. They started to resent anyone asking to see a mucked hand. Because many people take offense to this (either from embarrassment, a fear that showing a hand will allow everyone to soul read them or a false notion that it is an accusation of collusion), a number of poker rooms have started to eliminate IWTSTH. The room I primarily play in no longer has IWTSTH. Only in the case of a direct accusation of collusion and floor intervention will a hand be shown. However, most poker rooms still have IWTSTH in the rule book and RRoP has it in.

Whining and getting upset about it is childish. Poker is governed by rules. It is like complaining that aces should be counted ones and worse than every other hand rather than ranking higher than kings.

That said, I'm going to turn this into the IWTSTH containment thread and not lock it.
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03-29-2011 , 06:15 PM
"I had a **** ton of outs! Thanks dealer!"
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03-29-2011 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by IWearSportsJerseys
"Nut low, ship it!"
I'd just add, "WTF, this isn't a modified lowball game?"
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