These guys are not good players period. Open limping JJ in late position. The AK clubs hand was even worse. Tilting this kid is fine and I wouldn't even show any etiquette towards him.

I wasnt trying to tilt him. I was annoyed that he was pretending I sucked out on him when I was really sure I got it in good. So I asked to see the hand and I was right but the fireworks did erupt. If the kid woulda just said "nice hand" and mucked i would never ask to see, and I never had before.

seems like these so called "internet kids" are internits after the way they played thier hands on most streets, open limping JJ and flatting the AcKc hand and then checking the turn, thats like the easiest lead ever

Hand 1, you should be thanking your villain for a free pass through this hand and check to the river. He should be betting his outs, but he is allowing your showdown value to currently be ahead in the pot. Betting accomplishes almost nothing here except maybe folding out someone who caught a 6, or 77-99.

As played, shoving is terrible, you must now fold.

Hand 2, the huge mistake is on the flop, just fold. You do not need to win every single pot. The turn is debatable as played--the As does give you additional equity, but it is a bad card to bluff because it does not really weaken any hands that called you on the flop. If JJ is bad enough to call on Axx, it is certanly bad enough to call on AAxx. The river is an easy check/fold.

Hand 3, the mistake is raising to so much when you may not want to commit with AK. Against this villain, it is OK to flat a reasonable 3bet in position against a wide 3bettor, but your open to $150 and his subsequent 3bet to $650 puts you in a shove or fold situation. I would actually go against the crowd here and advocate folding AK in this spot--that 4bet size is fishy-big and almost screams KK+. Against someone you can legitimately put on JJ+/AK, go ahead and get it in, but these players are few and far between without history.

QFT. I almost laughed when I read what this villain had...maybe he wants to bet his royal draw one time?

If you're betting A5 when checked to his ch/r with AKcc seems fine.

Part of playing at a high level/really thin in live poker is realizing it's going to look like a mess most of the time to everyone else at the table. You are rarely going to get validation/recognition for your play (aside from all the money you will earn over time), unless you are sitting in bad games with other high level thinkers. As isolating and frustrating as that can be (especially when things are blowing up in your face and everyone is thinking you are the biggest spot of all time), it's really next level imo to not say **** at the table/just embrace your spewy image... While asking to see villain's hand wasn't the end of the world at all imo because he was probably being really annoying/he wasn't a spot, I would have just let his hand go into the muck as to not ruin the vibe or disrupt the bad play at the table. Nh though...

yep

you cant stop and go hand 3 (you have to be out of position/first to act)

Good post. I also think though when you start asking to see other people's hands out of spite or what have you, you're reacting with emotion/making it personal. It may not be the case with you or many players here, but in many situations I see it lead to battles between two players that cause both of them to spew.

In my opinion you don't rep anything in hand 1. I like the villain's smallish raise if he's trying to induce the ship.

I confirmed with kid that Hand 1 was not limped by him. He raised with JJ and
OP called out of big blind with Q2ss.

oh snap

...And charging all draws? isnt my play correct according to the fundamental theorem of poker.



Except for all his draws?!? which are a big part of his flop calling range.





guess he wanted to CR it.

Ya Im not sure I made it clear enough how wild this game was. Huge plays were being made every other pot and no one was letting anyone win a pot uncontested. Ive seen a couple comments that the kids play looked nitty, I can guarantee that the plays they were making were meant to trap/raise not to call/pot control.

If youre talking to the right guy he is mistaken, which I can understand because there were dozens of wild hands played that night. I was berated pretty bad on this hand so I remember it perfectly. The entire reason I had the kids range all wrong was because he open limped late. I actually believe he was going for a Limp RR.

Hes not inducing hes hoping for a fold or call but will be ok w/ a ship. He was trying to rep a big hand, he figured he could fold out my weak made hands (like what i had) and get calls from my draws (this is what I gleaned from his endless table talk). Unfortunately for him he got leveled and I shipped my made hand.

Your post seems to imply that OP actually played these hands well, where as in reality only 1 of the 3 hands was played correctly. The other two are just pretty terrible no matter how the table was playing.

The A5 hand was played well/at a high level. I said that before the results were revealed. That's the hand I was referencing in my post/the one that resulted in op asking to see villain's cards to prove that he did in fact play it well. Also, my post was somewhat of a general statement.

Please tell me your line with the A5... If the roles were reversed and op (lol live player) had been the one who flatted the IK's button open with AK suited, checked a royal draw twice in a 3-way pot, then raised with awful stacks repping zero made hands before finally getting stacked really light, any chance the feedback/analysis would be different? Any chance people would think he got owned by someone playing at a higher level?

no not at all i think flatting the AK is terrible too, i'm not saying either player played it perfectly at all.

edit - i have to stop reading these threads i keep writing out 30 line posts and having to delete them

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Be the better man at the table. Asking to see his cards is terrible. Not that being an ass is ever justified, but I'm much more likely to excuse a guy that just lost his stack than the guy that just doubled his stack (you were last aggressor and you won). Not saying villain's not a dip****, but that's no excuse. Make the games fun and enjoyable for the others and for yourself if you're going to be sitting in them a lot. These types of actions are what I hate about live poker. There's no reason for it to not be a gentlemen's game, and setting an example is how to further that.

the live regs are here...

<<<another internet 'kid' excited to play with you OP

Agreed. This is the first time Ive asked to see a hand in maybe forever. I dont plan on ever doing it again. But if you tell me I'm "lol lost" and give the table a primer on equity and range while Im outplaying you...it might happen.

You excite easily. Get out more.

indeed. however: