yeah, of course.... no doubt in my mind a live winner at 25/50 beats midstakes online ; once again my post - i mean, the third part of it - was kinda ******ed/impulsive/.... srry...
was just a little bored.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

most important piece of the post!! those losing "internet kidz".

and betting the turn in hand 1 accomplishes really nothing

Not sure why I'm typing this except to get myself back into live mode a bit.

Only skimmed the replies, but as the others have stated, your play, and more importantly, your reasoning in the first 2 hands is lol bad. Not trying to flame, but really telling you that it's terrible.

hand 1: Your statement that the kid reps nothing is ridiculous. His value range is huge there. You're the that one reps a tiny value range. He's not folding a single hand that he value raised. You're shove is terrible.

hand 2: on the river, what are your thoughts on betting into a polarized range that most likely has you crushed or can't call (except in the tiny % of cases that can be treated as irrelevant)?

hand 3: wp, but just so you know, this is the most standard play in poker.

Thanks. Just curious on hand 1, what are some of the hands in that huge value range the kid is repping? what value hands is he checking OOP twice multi way on a wet board?

think relative hand strength once you bet. also pretty standard to check to the raiser otf.

this this this.

Also, lol'ed at

Hand 1: Turn bet seems bad but once you bet why is everyone saying a ship is so bad? With a fish in the hand he's betting almost all his value hands the first time on the turn and realizes that you probably don't have a hand that can call a turn bet/river shove. Or are you guys saying he should call/call? Like I think it's a pretty easy check but once he bets I don't see why you want to fold when "internet kid"'s value range is pretty small and most online guys that play live (myself included) will often just randomly try to win pots when they rep nothing because they know most live nits don't understand ranges at all and folding isn't much fun.

Also as was mentioned in the online vs. live thread usually when someone looks like an "online kid" it's usually an mtt pro aka kings of randomly raising and repping nothing and not understanding hand ranges at all when they're deeper than 25bb.

i dont think the ship is horrible, I just don't think that overall b/c'ing allin is the best line. I mean it makes sense if we think the guy is a thinking aggro player since we expect his value range to be pretty thin at that point. but OP seemingly has played a handful of pots with the guy and doesn't really know if he gets relative position or if he'll slowplay a value hand for two streets on a drawy board.

I can think of worse spots to ship fourth pair, but we can't say it's a good shove without more info.

i don't think i have ever disagreed with a single strat post from pizzle, guy just speaks the truth

Relative hand strength works both ways...amirite?

Why is everyone saying the turn bet was bad but ship was good???

What is your alternative on the turn/river? check/ induce/ fold ? that sounds fun. its not like were checking AT and can fade a lot of rivers, we have equity now against opponents "give up and check it twice multiway on a wet flop" range, we need to protect that equity.

Our opponents arent going for a CR here. remember that. They have absolutely no expectation this turn will get bet so the CR is a on the fly play based on their perception of our range and not their holding.

yes

maybe I'm wrong about villain having a solid turn value range despite checking it. I see merits to it, and I know I do it for a variety of reasons sometimes. I'll think about it cause I def see the point.

Wow wow wow. U got Fds to reconsider. Kudos. Major feat accomplished. In case u don't know Fds is very sharp and right about 90% but thinks he's right about 105%. His reconsider is correct, I have noproblem with your bet or shove.

Not going to comment on strategy, but thought it was funny that this thread turned into a giant flame fest based on the title. Online stereotypes vs internet poker banned rage in this thread.

You think you have more information playing online? Because you can see how many times someone folded to a c-bet? Ever had someone lick their lips and then raise you?

ROFL

i guess if there is one benefit to this doj fiasco, we got all the internet geniuses back in the med-hi fr strat threads.

h2: not sure this is the line i would've taken, but now that i'm here i feel like i would bet the river for value like always. seems like a small pocket pair or counterfeited 2p to me.

2 of such kids showed up at the casino last night looking like they hadn't seen the sun/a razor/a barber/a shower/a washer/dryer/female/human being/piece of exercise equipment in a verrrrrry long time. They tried to pull 2 players out of our nl game (one while he was in a hand) to start a second plo game. When they finally got in the main plo game (after everyone they tried to recruit for a second one told them to f off) they strat talked the softest, most gambly game in the casino to death. They must have said both "sir" and "equity" one million+ times, sending all the fish back to nl or home to their wives early for once.

gg guys

(sample size of 2 obv, but omg)

I happen to be a huge fan of the word sir.

I don't blame you, it's a nice word.

RESULTS!

Hand 1 is most interesting so Ill get 2 and 3 out of the way.

2. He had JJ and checked behind me on river...under breath beratement ensues.
3. he had AA and even though my play was lol standard guess i was just pissed. had to endure some guffaws and "knew you would spew off your chips".

Ok, on to hand 1 pretty interesting story.

Kid snapcalls the AI. River is an Ace. I fastroll the A5. Kid acts like I sucked out on him, rolls eyes, slowly slides cards toward the muck. Im so sure of my play I do something I never do, I tell the dealer to show the hand. Dealer flip AcKc and kid goes ballistic. Apparently he didnt know this was a rule in CA. casinos or thought his hand was mucked or w/e. Now he tells me Im "lost" and "owned by his range" lol and yada yada. No class, no idea how to conduct himself in a live setting, endless table talk.

What is your reason for asking to see the hand?

As I read the action:

Action is HU
You go all-in
He calls
You show
He mucks

From what you have posted I would consider your actions as being entirely out of line.


Being sure of your line, never doing it before, or the other player being upset at having to muck have nothing to do with having the hand revealed.

Agreed, in a vacuum. Hand 2 came before hand 1 and there was a lot of table talk. My inner douche came out. It was fun though.