Commerce 10-20, 3 young guys i haven't seen show up together. Two of them end up at my table and I could gather they were from San Diego and were complaining they had money tied up on line. The two with me bought in realy deep 5k+ and were straddling/raising/c-betting very frequently. very laggy style. I was playing very agg. in position and within a couple orbits had already had a few 3bet and one 4 bet preflop skirmish.

Hand 1: Pre, I start w/ 2k. straddled, folded to me on button, i make it $150 w/A5. SB folds BB (online kid) calls. straddle (Iranian donk) calls.
Flop, TJ5 checked around. i felt it was a pretty wet board to c bet. Figured I'd pick up equity on a blank turn and underrep my hand.
Turn, 6 checked to me, I bet $300, Kid raises to $800, Iranian folds, I ship, THOUGHTS? My turn bet is repping nothing, the kids C-raise is repping nothing. My ship doesnt rep much but its strong and i still think i can fold out most/all 1 pair hands and get called by big draws.

Hand 2: Pre, I start w/ 4k, Kid open limps in hijack, Old Reg. button limps, SB fold I check in BB w/ Q2.
Flop A63, I check, kid bets $60, Old reg. calls, over to me and I cant see the kid open limping any Ace or pair. I decide to CR and take it down. So I CR to $200. Kid tank calls. button folds.
Turn A w/e good barreling card Im putting the kid on big diamonds something like K/small diamonds. I bet $500, kid tank calls again. I did not expect that.
River Q oooooooooh, Im in a pickle, THOUGHTS?

Hand 3:Pre, I start w/ 2k, Kid is in straddle, he has been raising/re-raising his straddle a lot and people have been folding. Folds to me late and I make it $150 w/ AK, fold to kid he makes it $650, I ship, THOUGHTS? I could take a flop or stop and go or w/e but shipping seemed sorta obvious w/ stack sizes, maybe not.

Thanks for your responses!

H1: W/Iranian Donk in the pot its much less likely villain is bluffing, so I dont like your ship.

H2: This seems pretty bad as well. You have close to no equity and are attempting a c/r OOP into two players. AS played, c/decide river.

H3: Easy ship with AK

H1: either bet the flop or check back the turn. delaying your bet accomplishes nothing. fwiw I'd just check back the turn as well. sure we would expect him to lead all of his value range on the turn, but you just don't know him well enough to be positive he has nothing but draws in his range, and I wouldn't expect him to c/r fold any pair in that spot.

H2: c/f flop. turn seems fine. c/f river is probably best. when the top card pairs your value range gets narrower and his diamond draws lose value. So when you bet again it's unlikely he's going to float a draw for a second street (especially considering your relatively large betsize). So he likely either has the A or a bluff catcher on the river. He'll bet the aces when checked to and check back the bluff catchers (which you probably beat but may not get to call a third street).

H3: standard.

H1- check it down after the flop check. The ship is awful.

H2- yeah he doesn't have too many aces, but neither do you. At least have some equity when you do this. c/f river and hope he has a 6

H3- std

yeah hand one is pretty ****in terrible, its a compulsory chk back turn once you check back flop.

hand 2 is meh i don't like it, i agree with rosa you wanna hv some equity here, like if you had 47ss or 62ss it wud be fine imo but you have a terrible hand for the pklay you are making.

hand 3 is so std its kinda funny you even asked about it

Agree that hand 3 is the only one you got right.

Hand 1 - you're hand has showdown value; its certainly not a hand that I would think could ever be underrepped.

Hand 2 - your hand has a possibility of being good on the river, but I wouldn't ever take that line. There's nothing worse than fps oop against a new player, especially one that could have a really good grasp at the game.

I don't think you should try to win every hand you play. Folding and checking are underrated.

+1

Aggressive internet kids open-limp on the hijack?

exactly, he hadnt open limped all night, even utg. to be fair his food had just arrived so maybe he was sidetracked.

+2. This game was really ramped up though. And these kids were out of control, when I left both at my table were stuck 4k+. Variance is not a problem for me so I wanted to battle it out in very marginal areas. I think I overdid it. I prob ended up playing as bad as they were, even though it was a pretty sick show!

i knew one of these threads were going to be made soon...

hand 1- ship is pretty @#$$%@ bad i think, i do like your delayed c-bet though.

hand 2- as played just check/souldread the river. just c/f the flop.

hand 3-super standardd

also as someone already said don't try to win every hand and just look for better spots

1. Spewtastic... I don't hate it as much as everyone else. He really is repping nothing. You aren't repping much either obv, but you likely have the best hand and just calling the c/r on that board is pretty brutal. Stacks aren't too deep, and in battles of who can rep less, he who ships first usually wins.

2. Too thin and spewy/I don't agree with your reads.

3. Ofc

Also, shame on you for getting creative/straying from the '2p2 nit it up like you are playing 12 tables with lightning fast dealers, limited information and tough competition' path. They are going to hate you man...

I imagine Commerce will get the biggest influx of online players. These hands sound a lot like live poker in Vegas during the WSOP. GL with the variance (seriously).

... Online people have tons of more history and information. That said, your reads are weak for all of these moves.

Betting the turn on hand 1 is awful. I don't mind the ship though.
Hand 2, just fold flop. This is one of those spots that you should let go of your hands very often.
Lol at asking if hand 3 is good :P

History? Yes. Information? Please...

Unless you're a kasparov, you can't even approximate half of the stuff in my hud + pop-ups that I use regularly.

In addition, I often go trough most of the hands of my regular opponents in HEM to create somewhat a profile of them.

what?

betting turn in hand 1 is awful exactly why? is their any reason to believe my hand isnt good? doesnt the fundamental theorem of poker say i should bet?

on the flop my hand is behind the range of 2 hands that call a raise on that board i believe so i check. on the turn i dont believe made hands are checking again and giving free cards. if i check every river is a scare card and i induce a bluff on the end that i dont want.

ya, hand 2 was defn. FPS.

hand 3 im just mad cause i ran into AA LOL

lol.... FYI, every decent/winning reg in MSNL is marking hands/reviewing them/taking notes/adjusting his ranges CONSTANTLY.

they wouldn't be winning if they didn't.

they can't just rely on playin' soft tables with 5 spots and 3 regs who wouldn't play live poker if they knew anything more than Doyle's SS and Phill Helmuth "Play poker like the pros"

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uhhhhhhhhhh...credibility lost. U were doin good for a minute though.

Heres something you might not know (but you prob do since ur obv some sort of expert)

every big winner in the big games live plays both live and online and chooses to play a lot of live because, believe it or not, here it comes...THEY ACTUALLY ENJOY IT! (and make good money to boot)

Damn, you got me. GG. That's exactly what I was saying. It had nothing to do with using any of your 5 senses/knowing a ton about what is going on with your opponent while the actual hand is being played...

And yeah, live poker is so easy and live pros are so lol for playing in easy games- we got that memo. Game selection/lifestyle selection is for idiots.

thxs

seriously, i know my post was really exagerated - just as DGAF post was....

never played in Commerce, so i have no idea how the games are.
but still, as far as hourly goes, i really don't see why someone would choose to only grind 5/10 live if he could win online and make 3x more/hr - until friday i guess :-(.

Well, there are games bigger than 5-10, lots of em. There are also people who dont like staring at a computer screen, or like to get out of the house/ away from the wife maybe. I dunno.

Im not a big winner, Im just a rich guy who loves poker and can hold his own. I know the big winners in the big live games all play online and live. They talk about it all the time. Variety is the spice of life.

seems like i forgot to mention Mike Caro's "Poker Tells" in the list ; srry for that