Was wondering if you guys could review a hand I played at 1/2

Villain 1: The only hand I have seen him take to showdown was when he stacked off PF for 40 BB's with AQs. After winning that hand he hasn't played many hands and seems like a tight thinking player. Effective stack ~175

Villain 2: 30-ish y/o grinder who has played very tight

Hero: My table image is tight, and my open raises and 3-bets have been getting quite a bit of respect

Action is folded to V1 in the LJ who open raises to $10

3 players behind call the $10 including V2 on the button

I'm in the SB with QQ and 3B to $50

BB folds and V1 jams for about $175. The other two callers fold to V2, who tanks for about 2 or 3 minutes before finally folding.

I think that V2 most likely tank folded with AK. I don't really know what else he could have taken this line with besides maybe AQs (but I block out combos), as he would most likely 3-bet with TT+

At this point I'm getting a decent price on a call (125 into 255) but I really don't know what I'm beating in this spot after V2 tanked for so long. After thinking it over I decide to call, mostly based on the price.

Is this a good call?

Snap call. He flatting the button after 4 players entered the pot so he could have all sorts of things you beat.

Saying your 3bets have been getting quite a bit of respect leads me to believe you've been 3betting frequently (am I right or am I wrong)

Who cares what V2 folded? Snap call for these stack sizes getting about 2:1

With an effective stack of 175 just don't waste too much time not watching the ball game (or waitresses, or facebook, or whatever floats your boat).

Add 2-300 to the effective stack, and now you have an interesting spot PF with QQ.

Quick call


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Call.

Sorry you lost

How much do you 3bet preflop per 100 hands on average?

It's a interesting hand indeed. Thanks for sharing

I think we could call it. Instead of just looking it as a one combo vs V's preflop 4bet shoving range, I included AA-KK in our preflop 4bet calling range too.

As well, we can't be certain that V doesn't have ANY AK in their preflop 4bet shove range, so, I added one combo of AK, and guess what? We are marginally profitable. Call and expect to lose a ton but be marginally profitable in the long run or fold and save money now but be breakeven. Doesn't really matter much in 1/2 I feel.

Are you guys reading this correctly? V1 was the original raiser in the LJ to $10 and he is now the 4! shover. How is this an absolute snapcall?

Yes our price seems decent (just over 2-1 so we need 33% equity), but we need to range V1 before deciding here. We have seen V1 stack off for 40 blinds with AQ, but otherwise he seems like a "tight thinking player". This is double that amount so might not be the same range.

Vs JJ+/AK+, we have the right price 44%, vs QQ+/AK+ we have 36% so I guess we are there. So really we need him to do this with 11 of the 16 combos of AK to get to 0 EV.

Yeah, ok. I call as well....and probably lose lol.

When I read it yesterday I thought the button shoved. Maybe it was corrected, but he stacked off previously with AQs (although he had less money) based on his description and stacks I don't mind the call.

OK that would make more sense for all the "snap call" replies. Thought I was losing my mind....

Still a call, but I think we need to do a lil math before calling.

There are certainly a lot of 1/3 players where this is always KK+ but you have to make an exploitable read to fold this. The fact that he stacked off with AQs doesn’t help that much because if he’s thinking he will stack off a lot lighter for 40 B.B. then for 87.

In the end it was a low jack open and looks like a squeeze play from you so I probably call it off. If I felt he was the type to never 3/4bet with anything but KK+ I can fold here

For me it is a "snap call" based on experience doing the math in similar situations. I need special reads to 3-bet and fold QQ getting 2:1 because I already know that against QQ+/AK it's a +EV call, and it's hard to preclude AK from <100BB all-in ranges, and some people overvalue JJ- or will semi-bluff with slightly weaker hands like AQ.

If we were $50 effective deeper it would be a tougher spot.

+1, with these stacksizes as played its a snap. If he managed to show up with KK/AA, nice for him-reload.

Thanks for the replies everyone,

My 3B range was tight (4%-5%), because typically the fold vs 3B in this game is non existent. For that reason I stick to a value 3B mindset (even though it would be exploitable in better games).

V1 did show up with KK, but I turned a set and took down the pot. Even though I won the pot, I wasn't sure I really made an EV+ call at the time. I feel better about the call now though.