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09-24-2015 , 06:15 PM
Hero just sat down 3 hands ago so no real reads although this room is usually the general 1/2 passive bad type.

Hero opens the HJ to 10 with A6ss. Co bt and SB call.

Flop A94 rainbow with 1 spade. Checks to hero who checks because think it's a little hard to get value on such a dry flop with a weak A. Checks throught.

Turn 7s giving us NFD and SB bets out for 25. Hero calls and CO calls.

River. Kh. SB checks. Hero should probably go for think value but checks and CO bets 45 and SB calls. Hero?
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09-24-2015 , 06:42 PM
Fold,I can't see someone over calling with worse.
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09-24-2015 , 07:08 PM
SB's bet turn and check/call river looks like a mediocre AX, most of which beat you. CO's line is hard to read with no information on his play style. The small river bet gives you good odds but 1 of the 2 will have you beat here a lot. Fold is probably best but getting 4:1 calling isn't terribly bad. With more history this could be anything from a trivial fold to an easy call.
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09-24-2015 , 07:24 PM
Basically I folded and CO said good call I have a 4 and the SB showed JJ. This really surprised me but I guess this is sorta the only case where I was good here after the action
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09-24-2015 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter3041
Hero opens the HJ to 10 with A6ss. Co bt and SB call.

Flop A94 rainbow with 1 spade. Checks to hero who checks because think it's a little hard to get value on such a dry flop with a weak A. Checks throught.
Why are you playing A6s if you're going to be afraid to bet top pair when you hit?

It's 4 way and you are unlikely to improve while the combined 3 others likely will. Bet the flop and move on to the next hand. You already got your "value" by getting 3 people to call pre.

If someone calls the flop, then you can slow down and think about getting to a cheap showdown. But checking the flop is terrible.
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09-24-2015 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Why are you playing A6s if you're going to be afraid to bet top pair when you hit?

It's 4 way and you are unlikely to improve while the combined 3 others likely will. Bet the flop and move on to the next hand. You already got your "value" by getting 3 people to call pre.

If someone calls the flop, then you can slow down and think about getting to a cheap showdown. But checking the flop is terrible.
whats so terrible, not like there are any bad turn cards and we aren't getting 3 streets anyway so why not just check, we gain info about our opponents hands, if there is a bet and a raise behind us we save a c bet. and if it just checks through it doesn't matter as we aren't really losing a street of value. We also add some deception to our hand and make it much easier to get two streets later because most people don't expect you to check TP. Im betting AT+ here but anything less think its a fine check
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09-24-2015 , 09:09 PM
I would bet this flop with the backdoor flush draw. You can check behind the turn if you don't pick up a flush draw.

I don't think checking the flop is horrible though.
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09-24-2015 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Why are you playing A6s if you're going to be afraid to bet top pair when you hit?.
I don't think he was planning to play OOP. Probably should have bet more pre. AP, there's an argument for check/evaluate; namely, that he gets to see what CO and BTN are up to. And I think it'll be a c/c most of the time; among other things, there's a decent chance of his hand improving. Some 15 cards might make him happy
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09-24-2015 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Why are you playing A6s if you're going to be afraid to bet top pair when you hit?
Let me help you:

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It's 4 way
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09-24-2015 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
I don't think he was planning to play OOP. Probably should have bet more pre. AP, there's an argument for check/evaluate; namely, that he gets to see what CO and BTN are up to. And I think it'll be a c/c most of the time; among other things, there's a decent chance of his hand improving. Some 15 cards might make him happy
This is my standard open size which fits into my overall pre flop gameplay. Its may not be optional for the hand but i don't want to be changing my sizing based on that hand I have
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09-24-2015 , 10:46 PM
Okay lets let 3 people catch up and play blind having no idea where we stand if someone else bets. Look at what happened on the river - you folded the best hand because you had no idea where you were at.
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09-24-2015 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Okay lets let 3 people catch up and play blind having no idea where we stand if someone else bets. Look at what happened on the river - you folded the best hand because you had no idea where you were at.
I think we gain more info about our opponents by checking than betting
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09-24-2015 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Okay lets let 3 people catch up and play blind having no idea where we stand if someone else bets. Look at what happened on the river - you folded the best hand because you had no idea where you were at.
Okay let's bet top pair as a bluff is not the better option.
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09-24-2015 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Okay let's bet top pair as a bluff is not the better option.
I wouldn't necessarily say its a Bluff. It's more of a protection bet and also puts a pair in your cbet range. I suppose there's also some people who would call a bet w T9 or 98ss so some value.

The way I look at it is that OK maybe our vil have a combined total of 8 outs or so, checking therefore gives up about %16 of the pot when we're ahead and creates some Rio, not such a great reason to bet, but part of it. Add in that maybe this hand gets checked through and someone later calls our cbet light on an A high board cause they don't think we have it, might cost several BBs, and then the whole, maybe we get value, or someone c/c a set and then we make running spades and win a big pot. With all of it together I think the flop is a bet.

Preflop is on the loose side even for me, and now it's been so long since I read the river action that I don't even completely remember it, but it did seem like a fold w what happened. I'm gonna guess that we probably would've been able to play the hand much more confidently otr if we had bet the flop in the first place.
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09-25-2015 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sungar78
I wouldn't necessarily say its a Bluff. It's more of a protection bet and also puts a pair in your cbet range. I suppose there's also some people who would call a bet w T9 or 98ss so some value.

The way I look at it is that OK maybe our vil have a combined total of 8 outs or so, checking therefore gives up about %16 of the pot when we're ahead and creates some Rio, not such a great reason to bet, but part of it. Add in that maybe this hand gets checked through and someone later calls our cbet light on an A high board cause they don't think we have it, might cost several BBs, and then the whole, maybe we get value, or someone c/c a set and then we make running spades and win a big pot. With all of it together I think the flop is a bet.

Preflop is on the loose side even for me, and now it's been so long since I read the river action that I don't even completely remember it, but it did seem like a fold w what happened. I'm gonna guess that we probably would've been able to play the hand much more confidently otr if we had bet the flop in the first place.
Great analysis. I would c bet without a pair here virtually 100% of the time. Need to bet with a hand here or observant opponents are going to give us zero credit on our c bets. Checking here reps KK-JJ, maybe top set. Unless we have some aggro. players that we can expect to stab at the pot if we show weakness I think checking here simply gives free cards for no reason at all.
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