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08-12-2015 , 03:57 PM
2/5 home game in Norfolk, Virginia. About 3 hours in, and it's Hero's first time here. So far, game seems great. Other than one good player, rest seem to be fairly breakeven or worst. Game has been very loose, with one good player and a couple of losing players who are capable of being aggressive.

Hero ($700, BTN) is a mid 20s white guy. Solid TAG. Unknown to everyone at the table. Haven't been very active. In for $500, and due to taking down a few pots without showdown, have built my stack to $700.

Villain 1 ($500, Cutoff) is a mid 50s white woman. Pretty fishy, is loose preflop, and straightforward postflop. Overvalues and overplays many made hands. She's in for $1000 after overvaluing two pair on a pretty wet board, stacking off to a flush.

Villain 2 ($1200, UTG +2) is a mid 30s white guy, and is a mega calling station. Looks like a pretty big spot in the game. Has been on a heater with people trying to bluff him and him calling pretty light every time. Got tricky with his big flopped hands (slow play flop, c/r turn).

Villain 3 ($800, MP1) is a mid 30s white guy. Seems semi competent, has made some decent plays, but does weird spewy things and seems to mini tilt after losing big pots to what he deems is someone playing poorly. Has been rather swingy, has been between $300 to $1600 in 3 hours. Seems to be a bit too loose preflop. (Seems to be a leak of everyone here, tbh.)

The hand: All villains limp to Hero, who looks down at KJ, and raises to $25. Willing to take dead money and play a pot in position against the wide range of some of the limpers, who are generally straightforward. However, all of the limpers call.

($100) Flop: K3K

Checks to Hero, who bets $50. Betting for value against a worst King. Would rather attempt to build a pot now instead of slow playing, which I'm not a fan of anyways.

V2 tanks, hems and haws for 15 seconds, and calls. V3 thinks and calls. V1 says "raise" and makes it $150, leaving herself around $330 left.

Hero: ?

Plan? Thinking ahead? Thoughts on previous action?
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08-12-2015 , 04:15 PM
25 is never going to take down the dead money after 3 limpers. Def raise more pre to 35.

As played I am most likely folding to the older lady raising 100 on top over two callers who is straightforward postflop. At the min. it's AK.
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08-12-2015 , 04:17 PM
I think vil 1 can easily just have 44+ here and fold. Probably not a ton of AK KQ in his range that he limp calls at the very least, I wouldn't worry to much about him.

Against vil 3 I can't find a fold. Her range probably does include AK kq and 33 for the limp call; however I have a hard time ruling out every other kxs in her range so I'm going w it based purely on her tendencies.

I think most profitable is to flat and go w the hand in case she has some really purely played AA or Qq-Tt or maybe even a Bluff.

Whatever it is, she doesn't enough hands that beat us in her range vs hands we beat, and I don't want to discourage her from continuing by raising. A raise really doesn't protect against anything if we're ahead anyway.
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08-12-2015 , 04:26 PM
Do we really think V1 overlimped two limpers with AK or KQ? I don't. Her range has all K9+ and lots of Kx suited hands.

Call the flop and call her down on basically all runouts. Only raising if we fill up.
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08-12-2015 , 04:27 PM
Shove. She has a king and won't fold it. There are no other reads to be had here, and no other player is going to continue with a pocket pair. All the cards are face up except for her Kicker. If it's an Ace or a Queen, so be it. The only way to find out for sure costs money, so put it in.

your hand is so under-repped right now. All you've done is make a button raise and a c-bet after everyone checked to you on a board that is extremely tough to hit.
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08-12-2015 , 04:38 PM
I can't fold here and I think shoving may lose the other two villans. I'm happy to play this hand multiway.

I call here and may shove turn once everyone is committed to the pot
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08-12-2015 , 04:41 PM
I like the call and keep calling to keep her in (not that she's folding a K, but she might). I'm still not thrilled with the other V's calling, and might find a fold if one of them jams. (Has V3 lost a big pot recently? Is he tilting?)
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08-12-2015 , 04:43 PM
I don't see any option other than calling.
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08-12-2015 , 04:48 PM
Flat calling a raise, on this board, with two players left to act, both of whom have already called one bet.....is an extraordinarily strong line. Probably stronger looking than just shoving. So calling to try and keep the other two V's in the game is just a silly proposition.

You've already lost the other two V's, unless they A) are slow playing 3's, or B) have been huffing spraypaint in the last four minutes. So shoving now changes nothing in regards to those to guys. If you flat call and one of them shoves, you're probably not folding anyway.

The only thing left to do is get station-lady's money. There is nothing she can do on a later street that gets you to fold. You'll never get her to fold a better hand. And she'll snap off a shove with lots worse. She's stuck, she likes to call down with medium strength ****, and she has trip kings. Milk that cow, milk her good.

If she gets called by you and another V, she might shut down with K-crap and try to check her way to a showdown.
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08-12-2015 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
25 is never going to take down the dead money after 3 limpers. Def raise more pre to 35.

As played I am most likely folding to the older lady raising 100 on top over two callers who is straightforward postflop. At the min. it's AK.
$25 had worked a couple of times already, although I agree that I could make it more. $35 probably works more often. As stated though, don't mind people calling from OOP with a hand that dominates most of their range.
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08-12-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
(Has V3 lost a big pot recently? Is he tilting?)
About a half hour prior to this hand. Started limping a LOT more, pretty much limped almost all hands leading up to this one.
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