PFR raised so small either because he has nothing or he's hoping to get repopped. If you raise big, both of them will fold. But the small raise might let one or both of them decide to take a flier on a turn card with position.
The problem with just calling here is it leaves you either donking big on the turn ($140 pot, so you're gonna bet 75-100) or checking turn and praying it doesn't get checked around (it often will). And donking the turn will look stronger than a check-raise here, because every turn card either completes a straight draw, pairs the board, or provides an over card (hitting your range for potential top 2 pair hands). The small check-raise looks like you just think he's super-weak because he bet so weak. So that line better disguises your hand strength.
Getting more value in certain spots can depend on more specific reads but raising is the standard play here so it will never be all that wrong making it 60-70.
Edit: I missed the loose passive bit. More reason to raise.
Based on the title I assume you raised here and everyone folded. Given the fact that you have like ~$230 behind and the pot is already around $120, you can call here and then lead the turn for like $90 then shove the river for like $140. Not need to raise and blow everyone out of the pot. You would definitely want to raise here if there were a flush draw on board since it could either kill your hand/action if it came in OTT. But yeah, since there isn't one, I like fatting and donking the turn.
Alternatively, If you didn't think that the PFR was going to cbet this board 7 ways, you could lead the flop. But there are advantages to letting the player to you left bet into this pot. You will get to see what everyone else does before you decide the best course of action. A lot of the time you will be able to trap several players in between who have made loose calls. And in other cases, you will be able to get away from your hand (probably not in this case) if there is heavy action before the action reaches you again.
We have a large pot I like just leading out on a super dry board like this for half pot. Our villans either have a piece of this flop or they don't. We can take a simple bet bet bet line especially this multi way and the bets don't have to be very big. Even 1/3 psb will get stacks in.
The biggest problem with x raising on this dry of a board is it screams I have a set. Not to mention that villans really can't have much on their ranges to call a check raise. Is 9x really going to call a ps x raise. Even bad players know to fold. If you x raise it needs to be small like 50-60 but I think betting is far better. I may even argue that Flatting the 20 is even better than x raising.
betting>>>>calling >> x raising
the problem with checkraise is that most people only do it with monsters, so it screams "I have the nuts!" Leading gets you value from x9, 45, 78, limped overpairs, maybe middle pairs too.
This. You will never ever get 7 folds, fish will call almost anything OTF if they have any piece of it. On a dry flop like this they will call with overcards. Especially if you've been playing TAG and cbetting a lot. They won't put 2+2 together and think hmm capped range, low flop... they just figure you are usually fos when you bet the flop and are inclined to call. A lot of turn cards will either straighten this board or hook up an overcard. Keep betting.
Bet out at least $50. Someone will call or raise your bet. Checking is terrible. You reveal the strength of your hand with a check-raise and you don't get enough money in the pot to win stacks.
As played, you should raise to $80. There are enough straight draws out there you can't give them a cheap look at the turn.
Fast playing sets on boards like these is going to make you more money in the long run. C/r on a board this dry is far too strong and unless someone spazzes out with an over pair, we are likely folding out everything worse. Donk betting will help build a big pot for your big hand, you might even get raised by someone with an over pair because players at this level always think donk bets are TP or draw heavy anyway. This works in 1/2 and 2/5 just as well. I'd bet at least 2/3 pot, and if we get raised, we can flat and go for a check raise OTT. If we do get flatted on the flop, bomb turn for max value.
Fast playing sets on boards like these is going to make you more money in the long run. C/r on a board this dry is far too strong and unless someone spazzes out with an over pair, we are likely folding out everything worse. Donk betting will help build a big pot for your big hand, you might even get raised by someone with an over pair because players at this level always think donk bets are TP or draw heavy anyway. This works in 1/2 and 2/5 just as well. I'd bet at least 2/3 pot, and if we get raised, we can flat and go for a check raise OTT. If we do get flatted on the flop, bomb turn for max value.
Completely agree with this. CR the flop looks too strong. Its better to donk 55 on flop and if you get raised you get it in, if someone flats you shove the turn.
You have to figure out how to get 240 in. With the pot already being 80 bucks you should be able to do it in three chunks super easy. Lead flop for 40, turn for 75, river 125.
I think checking the flop here is most people's default line, but I think you make way more in the long run leading in this type of spot. 78, 45, T9+ and 99+ are all calling. Overcards may even peel. If more than one person calls flop you could probably just jam turn.
EDIT: Didn't realize everyone already said what I said.
