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I'm always lost with TPGK at LLSNL.  Large straddled pot OOP - 1/3 NL I'm always lost with TPGK at LLSNL.  Large straddled pot OOP - 1/3 NL

05-19-2012 , 11:10 AM
Table is super passive preflop and I've been abusing especially in straddled pots.
EP is a new shortie. CO is fairly ABC passive postflop and seems competent although he's a habitual limper.

1/3 NL

Hero (UTG) - $750
EP - $100
CO - $750


Hero is dealt KQ

Hero straddles for $6, UTG +1 folds, EP calls $6, MP calls $6, CO calls $6, 2 folds, BB calls $3, Hero raises to $45, EP calls $39, MP folds, CO calls $39, BB folds

Flop ($148) K82
Hero?
I'm always lost with TPGK at LLSNL.  Large straddled pot OOP - 1/3 NL Quote
05-19-2012 , 11:39 AM
Obviously you should bet this dry board for value. Before establishing your sizing there are three considerations: (1) continuation ranges of both players; (2) navigating the short-stack and (3) whether you want to extract three streets of value.

You haven't given much information on the two villains, but I would be ranging EP on 88-QQ/AJ-AK (strong hands he's not willing to shove preflop). C/O you can range somewhat wider, since he's deeper and in position (22-1010/78s+/broadways).

Short-stack has $60 left, pot is currently $135, so he's all in to any bet, really. More importantly your SPR v C/O is around 6. If you're confident you're ahead and want to play for stacks, I would plan to bet 3/4 pot ($100) on flop, 1/2 pot ($200) on turn and 1/2 pot on river ($410).

Only a J or maybe a 10 or 7 should really give you reason to check one of these streets. K82r is technically one of the driest boards possible---so unless you have good reason to put C/O on AK, there's not much reason to slow down if a scare-card doesn't come.

If C/O calls your barrel on a brick turn, then obviously you really need to consider his continuation range before betting river. But only AK, 88 or 22 are ahead.

You're in a great spot and I like your preflop raise because it really lowers the SPR (just) to a point where TPGK is a decent holding to extract value from slightly worse.
I'm always lost with TPGK at LLSNL.  Large straddled pot OOP - 1/3 NL Quote
05-19-2012 , 11:45 AM
bet 100, i would.
I'm always lost with TPGK at LLSNL.  Large straddled pot OOP - 1/3 NL Quote
05-19-2012 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by masaraksh
bet 100, i would.
Sounds good to me.
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05-19-2012 , 12:38 PM
Looking at your title, what is there to be lost about here???

The way you beat LLSNL is to 95% of the time to just play straightforward.
#1 don't straddle that is what fish do.
#2 You have TPGK so just bet for value 1/2 - 3/4 pot on each street

Villains will call if they have a pair or draw or they will fold if they whiffed. If they luckboxed a set they will c/r flop and you can "maybe" find a fold if V is on the nitty side. If they c/r turn you will often be pot committed and have to call.

If they are maniacs or LAGs they may make a move on you on turn like donk betting you or blocking betting you, if so ignore the bet and raise...

In any event, there's nothing to be lost about here, TPGK in LLSNL is usually the winning hand, so bet each street for max value.
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05-19-2012 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
Looking at your title, what is there to be lost about here???

The way you beat LLSNL is to 95% of the time to just play straightforward.
#1 don't straddle that is what fish do.
#2 You have TPGK so just bet for value 1/2 - 3/4 pot on each street

Villains will call if they have a pair or draw or they will fold if they whiffed. If they luckboxed a set they will c/r flop and you can "maybe" find a fold if V is on the nitty side. If they c/r turn you will often be pot committed and have to call.

If they are maniacs or LAGs they may make a move on you on turn like donk betting you or blocking betting you, if so ignore the bet and raise...

In any event, there's nothing to be lost about here, TPGK in LLSNL is usually the winning hand, so bet each street for max value.
Pretty much this. TPGK I would always cbet it.
And lol at that EP call.
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05-19-2012 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgiharris
Villains will call if they have a pair or draw or they will fold if they whiffed. If they luckboxed a set they will c/r flop and you can "maybe" find a fold if V is on the nitty side. If they c/r turn you will often be pot committed and have to call.

If they are maniacs or LAGs they may make a move on you on turn like donk betting you or blocking betting you, if so ignore the bet and raise...
Hero is OOP
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05-19-2012 , 06:36 PM
^ replace c/r with raise and ignore donk bet comments

In any event, my point is just play straightforward for value, 1/2 - 3/4 pot sized bets on each street.
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05-19-2012 , 06:53 PM
I think i'm having a problem assembling a range that calls off the remaining $700 with worse? I'm still making the transition from online, but it's almost like you have to throw calling ranges out the window because they are just too wide? Also, just fwiw, in this game nobody but me was PFR, so both villains still have AK in their range.
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05-19-2012 , 08:06 PM
Unfortunately you are suffering from a common problem that players making the transition from online to live face...

Namely you just don't understand how "bad" rec fish are who come to the casino to play for fun. The majority of 1/2nl and 1/3nl fish are Level 1 players with no clue regarding RIO hands or the Gap Concept. They will call with KJ, KT, K9, Kxs and then give you 3 streets of value without ever once thinking you could have AK/KQ. In fact, they will often call you down with ANY pair.

Sounds like you need to read some 2+2 threads concerning differences between live and online and how to beat LLSNL.
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05-19-2012 , 09:26 PM
Easiest value bet ever? obviously no fear of the shorty. If CO raises, they basically have 88 or 22. there is no draw, no real two pair possibilities, and if he calls, he has KQ-KT or 8x.

I'd probably bet about 3/4ths pot. CO will probably call with an 8 even to a big bet if he is ABC because he will recognize that the board is dry and he has position.

you dont need to consider what will call off their stack with worse, you just need to bet the flop and let them decide if they want to continue. if they fold an 8, then fine, you got them to fold outs.
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