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03-25-2017 , 05:59 PM
Would I be able to get some help, or is that something I'd have to pay for?

I have a few leaks that I know of that I want to fix, but I also feel as if I'm really card dead it feels like I've been playing less than 1 hand an orbit and I've put in 45 hours this week, I don't think I'm playing too tight and I suffer from boredom tilt quite a bit when no one likes talking at the tables (usually ask for a table change but some tables are so bad with 3-4 people having $100stacks for 1/3)

I also feel my general strategy preflop is getting kinda close to the limpets strat just a few subtle differences, wider RFI/3! Range, narrower limp range, positional awareness etc (can't really raise 78hh after 3 limps to $21 get 5 callers then get donk jammed into on a KQ4r board everytime)

Here Are the leaks I know of that I need to fix in no particular order
-go for fat value too much OTR with a monster need to size smaller to get calls
-playing too few hands (I honestly think I've just been card dead this week, but noting every hand will help)
-floating too much after getting donked into
-not folding postflop enough
-3! Weak holdings as a bluff pre
-slow playing vulnerable hands OTF (keeping their range wide by calling hurr durr this is 1/3 turtol)
-staying too long when the games get bad
-boredom tilt (raising J7s to $36 in a straddled pot) and punting off $150 bloofing 2 streets

I'm gonna record every hand and position I was in preflop, might just include the whole hh for every hand this session
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03-25-2017 , 06:18 PM
45 hours of poker in a week is a lot, especially if the games aren't very good. Take a couple of days off and look to reduce the number of hours that you are playing.

Think quality over quantity. Try and find the best games at the best times. If the game sucks, leave. Grinding out hours for the sake of grinding out hours, doesn't make much sense.

GL
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03-25-2017 , 06:21 PM
Please don't post that ITF. It will get cherry picked at the best, and become troll-bait at the worst. If you want to write that monster up and post it in PG&C, you could put a link ITT for those willing to go through the whole thing.

Here are your big three, though, and it just comes down to discipline:
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-boredom tilt
-floating too much after getting donked into
-not folding postflop enough
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03-25-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Please don't post that ITF. It will get cherry picked at the best, and become troll-bait at the worst. If you want to write that monster up and post it in PG&C, you could put a link ITT for those willing to go through the whole thing.

Here are your big three, though, and it just comes down to discipline:
Tyvm Garick

What are some things you do when you're card dead at the table? I don't want to bring a tablet or a book to the table.

On a K94 board when you raise with 109s IP get 2 callers and then someone donks do you float? With no backdoors for a 3/4-PSB
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03-25-2017 , 07:27 PM
Normally I just fold to donk with 2nd pair. Clearly this is V dependent. Without read or tendencies it is auto fold for me.
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03-25-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Normally I just fold to donk with 2nd pair. Clearly this is V dependent. Without read or tendencies it is auto fold for me.
That seems SO nitty though, our middle pairs should be in our check call range to protect our checking range right? Is this just something else that I have to relearn to play 1/3?
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03-25-2017 , 07:39 PM
What does this usually mean

OMC sitting with $80
ABC player that donks with weak top pairs on no draw boards $300

Pre $15 2 callers
Flop 772r
OMC donks $15
ABC min raises $30
Fold
OMC Call
Turn Q OMC check
ABC jams $60
OMC folds
What the *** kinda autistic line is this what is this even supposed to mean

I can't think of any cards that makes sense here

Maybe ABC had 22 and OMC folded a weak 7???
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03-25-2017 , 08:19 PM
You seem to think live poker is too much like TV poker. It's not. Good poker is dull and predictable.

Low stakes live is much more like bingo than you think. You're not going to make money by making slick plays and elaborate bluffs. You do make money by playing smart, in position, and value betting solid hands. You should be happy to fold when they tell you they are beat.

At higher levels, you can play a meta game. You need cards and smarts to make it at low stakes NL. They aren't folding because you're repping a monster. If they are betting like they have it, chances are, they have it. Fold and move on.

I watched a guy donk off 2 buy ins yesterday because he tried to get people to fold. "How could you call that with 5s when I was totally repping the ace?!? YOU IDIOT!!!"
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03-25-2017 , 08:26 PM
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You seem to think live poker is too much like TV poker. It's not. Good poker is dull and predictable.

Low stakes live is much more like bingo than you think. You're not going to make money by making slick plays and elaborate bluffs. You do make money by playing smart, in position, and value betting solid hands. You should be happy to fold when they tell you they are beat.

At higher levels, you can play a meta game. You need cards and smarts to make it at low stakes NL. They aren't folding because you're repping a monster. If they are betting like they have it, chances are, they have it. Fold and move on.

I watched a guy donk off 2 buy ins yesterday because he tried to get people to fold. "How could you call that with 5s when I was totally repping the ace?!? YOU IDIOT!!!"
I'm just transitioning into live play these past few months, trying to play full on exploitative play rather than GTO is something I'm slowly learning, my winrate is going up however, stopped punting off but ins just because plays don't make sense started folding exploitatively, a lot lessslowplayong etc
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03-25-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Citizenme
Normally I just fold to donk with 2nd pair. Clearly this is V dependent. Without read or tendencies it is auto fold for me.
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That seems SO nitty though, our middle pairs should be in our check call range to protect our checking range right? Is this just something else that I have to relearn to play 1/3?
Repeat this mantra over and over to yourself: "They are not playing back at me. They are not playing back at me. They are not playing back at me."

Forget stuff like "protecting our checking range," or at the toughest tables protect it by occasionally checking TP. Floating in LLSNL is lighting money on fire against an unknown V. With a good read that V can fold a made hand, we can float sometimes, but I'd prefer 2 overs to 2nd pair, even with the read.

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What does this usually mean

OMC sitting with $80
ABC player that donks with weak top pairs on no draw boards $300

Pre $15 2 callers
Flop 772r
OMC donks $15
ABC min raises $30
Fold
OMC Call
Turn Q OMC check
ABC jams $60
OMC folds
What the *** kinda autistic line is this what is this even supposed to mean

I can't think of any cards that makes sense here

Maybe ABC had 22 and OMC folded a weak 7???
ABC has any 7, or a pair above 7. OMC has a 2 or a pair 33-66 and didn't believe at first. LLSNL Vs are notorious unbelievers on paired boards.
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03-25-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Tyvm Garick

What are some things you do when you're card dead at the table? I don't want to bring a tablet or a book to the table.
Figure out specific strategies to beat each player or look for sharp objects to jam into my eye. It's a 50/50 split


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On a K94 board when you raise with 109s IP get 2 callers and then someone donks do you float? With no backdoors for a 3/4-PSB

Depends on the player. If you've seen them donk wide, maybe. If you've only seen them donk TP and top pair is high, probably not. If the top pair is an 8-, probably calling, putting pressure on overcards

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03-26-2017 , 01:37 AM
talking at the table is a leak for sure. especially if you are going to play tight. dont draw attention to yourself.

tighten up. you are probably playing too many hands like just fold all T9s from all positions.
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03-26-2017 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
What does this usually mean

OMC sitting with $80
ABC player that donks with weak top pairs on no draw boards $300

Pre $15 2 callers
Flop 772r
OMC donks $15
ABC min raises $30
Fold
OMC Call
Turn Q OMC check
ABC jams $60
OMC folds
What the *** kinda autistic line is this what is this even supposed to mean

I can't think of any cards that makes sense here

Maybe ABC had 22 and OMC folded a weak 7???
Where I play people don't fold trips, and they don't fold aces.
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03-26-2017 , 09:19 AM
Blasting the river with monsters is often correct.

Mostly, it looks like you need to up the patience a lot and work on understanding villain types and tendencies.
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03-26-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
talking at the table is a leak for sure. especially if you are going to play tight. dont draw attention to yourself
Not this. Talking at the table both relieves the boredom and makes you look less tight. When you've been sitting silent for half an hour and put chips in, it draws attention. When you've been an active participant in the table and put chips in, few notice the difference between you just chatting and you now actually playing.

Don't talk strategy. Talk luck, sports, jobs, etc., but definitely participate. It's more fun for you, more fun for the rec players, and is actually good for your image.

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tighten up. you are probably playing too many hands like just fold all T9s from all positions.
Also not this. Tighten up in general may be good, but T9s is a great overlimp hand in LP or for opening in LP if folded to you pre. Opening it over limpers or in EP/MP is pretty bad, but it can be played late.
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03-26-2017 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Not this. Talking at the table both relieves the boredom and makes you look less tight. When you've been sitting silent for half an hour and put chips in, it draws attention. When you've been an active participant in the table and put chips in, few notice the difference between you just chatting and you now actually playing.

Don't talk strategy. Talk luck, sports, jobs, etc., but definitely participate. It's more fun for you, more fun for the rec players, and is actually good for your image.


Also not this. Tighten up in general may be good, but T9s is a great overlimp hand in LP or for opening in LP if folded to you pre. Opening it over limpers or in EP/MP is pretty bad, but it can be played late.
people notice you sitting there being chatty and then when you get a hand its hard to continue being chatty. its a huge tell. if you are silent the other players have less clue whats going on. talking at the table is terrible for your game. just because people hear you talking doesn't mean they dont notice you folding every hand.

and overlimping T9s or raising it in LP is marginal for that matter. the conditions need to be right. i normally play short stacked so playing T9s with less than 50bb unless you are overlimping on the button with multiple limpers is just a bad play.
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03-26-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
people notice you sitting there being chatty and then when you get a hand its hard to continue being chatty. its a huge tell. if you are silent the other players have less clue whats going on. talking at the table is terrible for your game. just because people hear you talking doesn't mean they dont notice you folding every hand.

and overlimping T9s or raising it in LP is marginal for that matter. the conditions need to be right. i normally play short stacked so playing T9s with less than 50bb unless you are overlimping on the button with multiple limpers is just a bad play.
I usually play deep stacked poker. There for 5+ hour sessions so my stack does grow upwards of 200bbs. Definitely playing 109s out of any position. I'm not sitting at a fukkin poker table for 7 hours a day being silent and not talking to anyone that sounds like the most miserable experience ever. I don't pay attention to live tells, and I don't care if I gave any off as long as they're not ridiculously huge. 100% going to continue talking at the table. Playing short stacked is a big leak btw
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03-26-2017 , 09:16 PM
understanding tells is hard, assuming your typical LLSNL villain is capable of effectively reading them is giving them way too much credit
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03-26-2017 , 10:50 PM
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people notice you sitting there being chatty and then when you get a hand its hard to continue being chatty. its a huge tell. if you are silent the other players have less clue whats going on. talking at the table is terrible for your game. just because people hear you talking doesn't mean they dont notice you folding every hand.



and overlimping T9s or raising it in LP is marginal for that matter. the conditions need to be right. i normally play short stacked so playing T9s with less than 50bb unless you are overlimping on the button with multiple limpers is just a bad play.


If you are playing a tight game then talking at the table is 100% better for your game, as it gives you the perception of being looser than you are. It's way more noticeable when a guys hasn't said a word or played a hand for a hour comes in for a raise. People hate giving guys like that money. I see it happen all the time where if the rest of the table is lively and dudes a stick in the mud the table just snap folds around when they finally raise.

Also I think 10-9s in a 1/3 live game is perfectly fine for an overlimp or a raise from LP.


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03-27-2017 , 11:59 AM
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What are some things you do when you're card dead at the table? I don't want to bring a tablet or a book to the table.
Why do you play poker?

GansweringthatmighthelpyoufindyourwayG
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03-27-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Why do you play poker?

GansweringthatmighthelpyoufindyourwayG
Want to play it for a living, taking a 3 month shot at it right now to see how it goes
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03-27-2017 , 01:56 PM
Is it a good idea to pursue something as a career that you mostly find boring and tilt inducing?

ETA: Was mostly going to post that if your response was "for fun", but thought it might even apply more for "for work".

Gmightwanttorethink?G
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03-27-2017 , 02:01 PM
I try and rotate between listening to music and chatting with other players. I find that if I carry on conversation with most players for too long they say something that makes me want to gauge my eyes out, so I try to keep it to like 15 minute blocks.

Music is essential for me playing casino sessions of over 2 hours. Could not do it without.
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03-27-2017 , 02:02 PM
Also, hearing "damn I folded 94!" when the flop comes out 44K can only stay interesting for so long.
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03-27-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Is it a good idea to pursue something as a career that you mostly find boring and tilt inducing?

ETA: Was mostly going to post that if your response was "for fun", but thought it might even apply more for "for work".

Gmightwanttorethink?G
I don't find poker boring at all, I've played 58 hours the last 9 days and I'm really enjoying it atm, there are just large periods of card dead at a quiet table that are boring though. I've got 3 months until I have to go back to work so I want to attempt this

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I try and rotate between listening to music and chatting with other players. I find that if I carry on conversation with most players for too long they say something that makes me want to gauge my eyes out, so I try to keep it to like 15 minute blocks.

Music is essential for me playing casino sessions of over 2 hours. Could not do it without.
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Also, hearing "damn I folded 94!" when the flop comes out 44K can only stay interesting for so long.
People at my casino don't do that, all of them are regs.

I need a new iPod mine is stuck on hold
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