Oringinal PFR is 18/18 with 85% fold to 3 bet over 20K hands
MP3 is an uknown

Standard?
The cold call from MP3 confused me, seeing as how the shorty shoved over my 3 bet, Warning bells went off.

I knew I was behind the short stack's range, and the cold call scared the crap outa me. Normally I would not hesitate to get it all in on this flop but as I was already behind the short stack and most likely behind the cold caller I was reluctant to bet this flop, I didn't think I had any fold equity at all.



No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($406)
MP3 ($396)
CO ($68)
Hero (Button) ($572)
SB ($72)
BB ($86)
UTG ($76)
UTG+1 ($793.60)
MP1 ($68)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 10
3 folds, MP2 bets $16, MP3 calls $16, 1 fold, Hero raises $52, SB raises $70 (All-In), 2 folds, MP3 calls $56, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($236) 3, 8, 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $172, MP3 calls $172

Turn: ($580) 6 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets $152 (All-In), Hero calls $152

standarrrrrd

fine.

Dude u are getting over 4-1 to call push by MP3 so if u are behind u are getting the odds to call just to hit the flush. And obv. if he is drawing, then we are waaaaaaaay ahead. I bet he has 33 or 44 and was looking for non-spade turn before pushing. Either way, +EV call.

PF is awful.

Ranka, I think pf could be understandable once in a while. I'd be shocked if you've never squeezed w worse. :-).

Tbh, I think I bet smaller on the flop (if at all) assuming you can get rid of AK. It's not like you win the pot if he folds. You probably lose to the shorty. So considering you need to hit to win any money, taking the free card is not bad. As played, you have to call the turn.

I squeeze with KK+ only obviously because I am bumhunter.

But if you want to light-squeeze then your opponents are more important than your cards. And in this hand example it's not good spot because cold-caller is unknown, probably fish and fishes don't like fold.

Also, I am curious who is villain (probably studboy1)? Villain who moved up recently or playing any limit? I am curious because OP isn't regular in 400NL games and how he have 20k hands on villain.

edit: he can't be studboy, he isn't 18/18

edit2: and probably this hand is not played on stars?

Cold caller is unmentioned, so I assumed he was a std player.

Another benefit to not betting the flop... Twice as many ways to screw the short stacker. :-)

In my experience at 400NL+ unknowns are mostly fishes.

But if Hero is new at 400NL, then squeezing is still bad because it's bad idea to make agressive moves without reads/metagame.

I have reads on the original PFR as I have played about 10K hands with this guy at 200NL. He folds to 3 bets relentlessly. The other 10K hands were datamined. He's a 16 tabling reg who mixes in 200Nl and 400NL

My read was that he would fold to the squeeze unless he's holding AK, QQ+ and his range here is super wide.

I have no reads on the other guy, however I'm assuming he isn't calling the 3 bet without a very strong hand unless he's a fish and if he is a fish I can outplay him postflop. If he is calling my squeeze me a cbet will take this down the vast majority of the time as he's missing the flop a ton, or he will be unable to continue on a lot of boards.

Anyways, this isn't on Stars and I'm not a 400NL reg. I'm a 24 tabling 100NL player who got staked for 200NL and was told to take shots at 400NL because things are going good.

I realize now this hand was super standard postflop, I was just really confused with the call that MP3 made when the short stack Pushed.

Plus the fact I'm playing 4x my normal limits makes me question a lot of plays that I probably wouldnt question at Nl100

Anyways is preflop really that bad? Would it have been better if MP# didn't come along for the ride?

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 10
3 folds, MP2 bets $16, MP3 calls $16, 1 fold, Hero raises $52, SB raises $70 (All-In), 2 folds, MP3 calls $56, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($236) 3, 8, 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $172, MP3 calls $172

Turn: ($580) 6 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets $152 (All-In), Hero calls $152

River: ($884) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $884

Results:
Hero had 8, 10 (flush, Queen high).
SB had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
MP3 had 8, A (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $881

It's not the Turn call I'm questioning, It was the flop Cbet. I'm behind and probably have no fold equity, but i realize it doesn't matter. I have 51% equity in the pot.

I was questiong it because I'm not used to these limits

I realize you won the hand, but another reason I didn't like the flop bet size was that you had an awkward stack size and had to get the rest of your money in bad on the turn. No one is going to fold to that turn bet, so if you're betting any turn, you might as well just shove the flop.

The squeeze is not standard, but I still don't mind it to mix it up. As it turns out, Ranka was right and MP3 was a fish. I just don't see many fish nowadays.

I'm sorry I don't understand, no one is folding to my turn bet? I didn't bet the turn I was shoved into, did you mean he wasn't folding to my flop bet?

So I should have either bet smaller on the flop and called a shove or I should have just shoved the flop? Of the two which line makes the most sense?

Preflop isn't that bad as I first said but I play very straightforwardly vs unknowns and so I don't like it Also if there is fish between it's better to squeeze with big aces like AT+, 99+. So you are bluffing vs original PFR and valuesqueezing vs fish. And now u don't need to mix up with pure bluffs like 8Ts because your range is weak vs PFR and strong vs fish and no-one can't exploit u.

Also I think if MP3 is fish, it's very hard to outplay him postflop in squeezed pot.

you have such a good equity. What ever how you play the hand, you get the money in good. Where is the question seriously ? And "lol" @checking flop behind, you have over ~30% equity in the hand, just put the money in.