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I put myself in a tough spot With AKhh :( I put myself in a tough spot With AKhh :(

03-14-2011 , 09:09 PM
there is a 7 dollar straddle, and I am UTG with AK

I limp hoping for a raise, but instead have 5 callers. Bad move but the game was somewhat aggressive, prolly not aggressive enough for that kind of move.

Flop is 8K7 I bet out 30, call and then a raise to 80. He has 130 behind and I cover.
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03-14-2011 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jpow333
there is a 7 dollar straddle, and I am UTG with AK

I limp hoping for a raise, but instead have 5 callers. Bad move but the game was somewhat aggressive, prolly not aggressive enough for that kind of move.

Flop is 8K7 I bet out 30, call and then a raise to 80. He has 130 behind and I cover.
Snap fold.

Raise pre next time.

WTF are you over betting the pot for? $10 will do.
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03-14-2011 , 10:11 PM
the pot is 42, 5 callers plus me.
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03-14-2011 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jpow333
the pot is 42, 5 callers plus me.
Ah okay my mistake.
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03-14-2011 , 10:14 PM
either way, terrible lol. Thanks though, fold is def corrrect
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03-14-2011 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jpow333
either way, terrible lol. Thanks though, fold is def corrrect
The stab is okay if a bit thin against half the table. Personally I prefer a standard raise pre with AK (lots of people don't but w/e).

I just think it has too much value to be flatting. Especially in the 1/2 game as we can get lots of value from paint lovers (JK, KQ type hands) and Ace miners who will make TP and think they're good.

There's a COTW here on AK if you're interested.
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03-15-2011 , 11:49 AM
Who called and who raised to 80 (position wise)? Do you think they'd likely limp with K7 or K8 or are you only worried about 7-8 or a set? If the later, I can def see the raise coming from a K who thinks they are ahead and wants to price out a straight draw.
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03-15-2011 , 12:30 PM
With the straddle, we're effectively playing with 30 BB. Can we really bet/fold TPTK with 30 BB?
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03-15-2011 , 01:39 PM
Limping UTG with AK here is fine when a straddle is going to inflate the pot anyhow. Even though you've got a premium hand, your position is bad, so your overall situation here is only ok.

If the flop hits you but otherwise looks ugly, don't get married to your hand.
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03-15-2011 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
With the straddle, we're effectively playing with 30 BB. Can we really bet/fold TPTK with 30 BB?
Good point - probably not if we're betting at this we should probably be committing.

So what do we do? Check fold?

Personally, I'm raising this preflop but I doubt there'll be any consensus as people often disagree on how to play AK. I mean if we're not raising a premium hand like AKs UTG what the hell are we raising QQ+?

If we raise pre to say 20 we can win the dead money if everyone folds.

If we get a caller miss the flop, cbet and achieve a fold more than 50% of the time it's +EV

If we hit TPTK we'll often get value from other K's and A's and LLS players tend to massively over-value KJ, KQ, AXs type hands.

We can also flop 2pr, draws and combo draws.

That's my case for raising.
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03-15-2011 , 07:03 PM
I know this sounds very noobish, but the live games are much more aggressive than online, in people overvalue broadway hands preflop. Thus, my intention for flatting UTG was to reraise a raise so that I could rep AA/KK/QQ pretty heavily by betting any missed flop and conversely repping JJ on an A or K flop by checking when I hit. But after it was limped by over half the table, I hate hitting my hand because most players will only raise with better.

History: I have history with the raiser. He shoved allin on a 1072 flop with 69 and I snapped him off with AQ and he took it down when he turned a 6. So it is possible that he was getting tricky with 910
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03-15-2011 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jpow333
History: I have history with the raiser. He shoved allin on a 1072 flop with 69 and I snapped him off with AQ and he took it down when he turned a 6. So it is possible that he was getting tricky with 910
No it isn't. He never has T9 here.
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03-15-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jpow333
I know this sounds very noobish, but the live games are much more aggressive than online, in people overvalue broadway hands preflop. Thus, my intention for flatting UTG was to reraise a raise so that I could rep AA/KK/QQ pretty heavily by betting any missed flop and conversely repping JJ on an A or K flop by checking when I hit. But after it was limped by over half the table, I hate hitting my hand because most players will only raise with better.

History: I have history with the raiser. He shoved allin on a 1072 flop with 69 and I snapped him off with AQ and he took it down when he turned a 6. So it is possible that he was getting tricky with 910
If you want to bluff why not do it with A2s? (I wouldn't advise it as a lot of players won't know WTF you're reppng to be honest and there's no need to balance at LLS).

AKs is way too strong to turn into a bluff UTG.

Btw online plays generally TAG whereas LLS plays mostly loose passive in my experience.
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03-15-2011 , 07:50 PM
Against a range of sets, two pair, and KQ, we are 35.662% and, taking into account future all in bets that we will call, we need 36.59% equity. I think, after we factor in maybe KJsuited w/ a backdoor flush draw and 910o, we can profitably call down.

I wouldn't raise though, I'd smooth call his 80 to try to represent like A8 or 99. Let him hang himself if he has KQ or KJ.
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03-15-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Against a range of sets, two pair, and KQ, we are 35.662% and, taking into account future all in bets that we will call, we need 36.59% equity. I think, after we factor in maybe KJsuited w/ a backdoor flush draw and 910o, we can profitably call down.

I wouldn't raise though, I'd smooth call his 80 to try to represent like A8 or 99. Let him hang himself if he has KQ or KJ.
Except villain doesn't have T9o and very doubtful he plays KJ like this.
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03-15-2011 , 10:34 PM
i agree and I think we can /thread. The best Im hoping for is calling and hitting ace on turn or shoving if a heart comes. But im not getting odds to call.
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