5/10
2k effective

No real relevant reads....i have a bit of history with my enemy in this hand. hes a dealer and grinds 3/5 and 5/10 sometimes. is a loser in the game. buys in short and plays pretty tight/passive. hes called me down in some spots before.

Loose/bad random with a bunch of chips opens in utg2 for 30.
I have
89 in mp2
I raise to 90.
Enemy guess runs fairly tight smth like 25/15 or w/e....insta flats otb
One more tagger along in the bb who is very splashy 5/10 reg who probably plays 38/20 in that neighborhood. (obv arbitrary guesses to give you guys a feel in terms of their stats)

Original raiser flats and we have
365 in the pot
Flop
922

So. first thoughts. the 3b? seems fine/ok to me. if not maybe a bit loose but no ones ever 4b w/o the nuts in this game ill get position and the o.r will prob just flat like 95% of his range here and thats a good thing

Second. Thoughts otf
So Im rly not sure if a bet or a check is best here?
I can think of reasons for both.

I decided to bet. (not rly sure why, but figured betting is mostly standard here and when im not sure i just revert to what i think is std.

Hero bets 200. Our enemy flats v quickly, everyone else folds
Sizing?

Turn
9223
765$
I check kinda quick, he bets 200, and I c/r to 600 pretty quick
Turn play?
So Ott i feel like 9x isnt gonna win
I also feel like his range is pretty capped here at like tt-qq
I really dont know how to rate my options here ott
like
if i were to guess it looks smth like c/r > bet >>>>>> c/c >>> bet/shove (happens rarely) >>>> c.f

He looks suprised and thinks a sec before calling the 400 prty quick

River
92232
So I obviously brick and now Im pretty stuck between piling and just c/f
I can probably never win at showdown
What should villains calling range be here if i shove?
Should he be folding any of his range that got to the river this way?
How often does villain need to fold otr to make a profitable bluff?

150 on flop, don't like bluffing turn or river at all. don't like 3b just flat this hand, rather 3b higher equity hands like KTs A3s KQo etc vs the type of opener that you described

If u just flat u can check call the river for same price. so cc turn and RE river imo. If u think he only has over pairs I don't think he folds those any way. So don't raise.

If you're thinking about shutting down on bricks you should probably re-thing the turn x/r

so villain is just lol call down w jj here?

i c/r planning on shoving every river
just wanted to see if anyone would ever c/f after doing this
imo its a mandatory shove when i c/r ott

Also would never go c/c otr. If I c/c ott I'm c/f otr unimproved nearly 100% which could be a reason why cr ott is better

checking flop is probably best, as played I'd barrel the turn, now you should x/f

I'd just x/c turn once you check and he sizes like this. This doesn't sound like the right villain or dynamic to try to get him to fold TT+

Is checking turn good at all or is it better to just barrel ott

Think 400 turn, jam river is way better than cr turn, jam river tbh. I like pre, although I prob go 100-110, and I like flop. As played I dunno wtf is going on, and I also think once you check turn you should probably just call the 200.

I like flop cbet for protection and with the intention of bet/shove river on A,K,Q,club if called.

Prefer bet/jam river over c/r since it sounds like he'll level himself into calling down from the player description.

i don't like the turn x/r. what are we getting to fold? this type of V isn't folding anything better than a 9 imo.

I just don't get why you don't check the flop?

Flat pre, 89s doesnt play well heads up

Flop is 50/50

Turn: if we think villain will fold to a third barrel, we need to bet, we gained equity and were pretty sure were behind. You need to turn your hand into a bluff
If you don't think he'll fold, x/c is better, he is calling you off if you x/r and bet river

The biggest problem of this hand is preflop.... by far.

Turn c/r jam river or just barrel off = whatever.. pre you can call or even fold(since you're not even in HJ/CO/BTN) but def should not have 3b.

Obv Villain is never folding hands like TT-QQ, which is in his range. Hands that are most likely in his range in this spot: A9-T9, TT, also A2. There's no draws on the board that he could've called you with on the flop, then bet the turn with. He most likely has an overpair, or a pair 9s with a better kicker. I don't believe he's ever floating here since he would've folded to your c/r on the turn. His turn bet of 200 was pretty interesting as well, thinking about it, he may have viewed your c-bet on the flop as a very standard c-bet that you're doing with 100% of your hands, which is why he bet the turn. Doesn't have to mean that he's super strong in this spot.
Having said that, I'm probably playing this hand pretty slow post-flop. Def. bet flop ($140 instead of $200), check/call turn, bet/fold river. Would be pretty sick if Villain does roll off TT,JJ,QQ, or even A2, but wouldn't be surprising.

Note: check raise turn as much as possible w strong hands
Seems like I'll just get called down with anything
Freal doe

Pre is good. Bet turn or c/c as played. Shoving river seems kinda bad. I don't really see villain calling turn c/r and then folding his boat on the river...

I think part of what comes with being such a "capable" sicko who 3bets 89 is getting looked up lighter

Pre is whatever, I don't think I ever 3b this hand but you could make a case for it depending on who is behind you given the fact that UTG is really bad. Once you get flatted OTB this guy has 99-QQ, AK and maybe AQs / 88. It's like live reg guaranteed range for cold calling 3 bets here. Depending on how tight he is he might fold the non-pairs. BB's range is wider, he has hands that can flop the nuts or nut draws like big SCs and all pairs and big suited aces.

Flop bet is okay, we're definitely ahead of UTG's and BB's range and want to protect, we're just dead when behind to button which we are even if we give him 88 and AQs. Pretty meh spot but I think I bet.

Turn is really bad man. Check raise is a wayyyyyyy worse option than check calling or maintaining the lead and betting. For the argument of betting: we maintain the lead which is nice for when river is 9 or club so we can continue betting hands that he won't think are in the top of our range. Also we get to draw for the price we bet as opposed to letting him decide. For the argument of check calling, he might check back a hand like TT or JJ, probably not but he might and that is a massive win for us. If he bets TT-QQ to protect and we c/c after 3b pre he might think we're pot controlling a hand that beats him and check back river, thus we get to show down for cheap vs those hands which is nice. For the argument of check raising, well I just can't think of one. We're letting him build the pot and he's in position with a hand that probably beats us when he continues and he's just not going to fold it a lot of the time because "I has overpair".

As played on the river it's time to shut it down. I actually expect to get a free showdown here some % of the time and if he called turn and is halfway competent he is never folding this river unless he has AKcc or something which we beat and he is never bluffing on the river. He's probably not going to put us on 9x and this is the top of our shutdown range on the river and there's no value for him in betting TT or JJ really since we most likely have a hand that is c/f he beats or c/c that he loses to. Despite the fact that you'd just jam those hands that beat JJ basically 100% of the time I don't think he'll find the thin value jam a lot.

Also,

Pot is 1965 and we have 1110 behind, so ~36% of the time. You really should know how to do this. Normally I'd flame the **** out of you for having 3600 posts and not being able to day 1 poker math but I'm super bored so 36% no flame.

Thx for the good post
At the risk of sounding dumb. I srlsly didn't know you arrived at 36%
Over 3500 posts or whatever I've learned picked up a lot from these forums but somewhere along the way never learned how to run that problem

bet amount/(pot + bet amount)

not so much post related but 25 vpip at a FR doesnt strike me as that "tight".

3bet is fine (a little bigger imo)- given that the initial opener is a fish w a decent amt of chips...always a good idea to try and get it HU with the fish IP. It should also be noted that button's cold calling range should be wider than normal just to play this pot with the fish on the button (esp with our smallish 3bet sizing). He's probably calling close to all pocket pairs and a lot of suited broadways, etc.

This is a good flop for us and we should be thinking of going three for the most part. We are mostly worried about the villain on the button but if he's any kind of thinking player at all, he's going to be able to lay down 1010/JJ/QQ by the river when you are show this kind of aggression with the flop being a 3bet pot going 4 ways.

Reasons not to go three are 1) if you guys have some sort of crazy, sticky history where he has shown he doesn't fold in big pots- and 2) if he's savvy/tricky enough to flat in this spot with AA/KK.

hate the CR as people already said.