Well no, no I didn't, but if you did then go ahead and put your name down here in the shame thread along with the reason why you did it. Maybe we'll all learn a thing or two along the way.

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We already have one Clown..........He's in the White House!

Open limped KK/QQ at raise happy monkey tables last week. In both scenarios, there were raises and 3bets by the time it got back to me and got burnt for $500+ both times even after limp/reraising.

Lesson learnt.

I open limp quite a bit. The main reasons i have beaten to death. The usual suspects were small to medium pocket pairs but I have now begun limping suited broadways (and sometimes unsuited ) as well.

It allows us to play more hands and realize more of their equity than raising does in multiway pots. In live poker even in raised pots the hands are usually at least 3 ways and likely 4-6 ways on average. This creates an interesting dynamic that so far I have found is vastly unexplored.

Ive also come to an interesting realization that you can actually benefit by not having initiative in a hand when it is multiway.

I do not limp premiums ever really with the exception of a 100% pfr on my left and many limping stations on my right. I would over limp kk/aa in that scenario.

I open limped J8s UTG, 4 people called behind.

Flop AK7dd, everyone checked, turn 3h, everyone checked, river 3c, everyone checked and one of the limpers showed KTo and took it down

I think in the average 1/3 game the key is that limping is fine, but loose limping is dumb, just like loose open-raising is dumb.

You have QJs in early/mid position? Playable hand. Limp it or raise it, either is fine.

A6s in early/mid? Just fold it. The issue is not whether you can limp it or not, it's if you should play it or not. We all know limping it and getting raised sucks, but that doesn't mean limping 77 or QJs in the same spot is wrong.

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I limp to keep SPR high. If it starts getting hard to get the money in when I make a hand I start raising.

I open limp when I have a plan that makes open limping better than raising or folding. Often it involves being able to squeak enough value even OOP. Sometimes it involves being able to call a raise profitably (often a PP) or to RR profitably (often a big PP in EP in an aggressive game).

Without a specific plan to make money, I'm dumping the hand.

If I ever found myself in a game that was tight and aggressive (I've never seen this at LLSNL), I'd never open limp. But with V's making mistakes by failing to be sufficiently aggressive pre or post, I don't mind keeping the SPR large and sneaking some speculative hands in.

Makes you wonder if you shouldn't just open shove.

I find all your reasons do best defending an overlimp argument, but much less so for open limping. I absolutely want to see more flops, with more polarized flop equity hands, as often as possible, against as many players as possible, in what is more often middle-late position. That tends to happen more a lot when facing a limp or two where each subsequent player has a tougher time as the raiser (more defenders) and an easier time limping behind as well (because why not).

On board with second part - playing snake in the grass in butter soft games generates some super +ev spots, but I think what you might be overlooking is that having a hand like 66 or A4s as an open raise behaves very similarly on flops bad for a tighter EP raising range -- you can give up initiative and be very deceptive later in the hand.

More to it, but just some brief comments I wanted to add in.

I open limped small PPs and small suited Ax like it's nobody's business. All day every day. Shame me, I don't care.

Which is why I'm locking this thread. The discussion generated is as edifying as the "tastes great/less filling" debates of the 1980s.

Go google it if you don't know what I'm talking about.