1-2 NL, 8-handed on a Friday night.

UTG (~300) raises to 6

UTG +1 (~300) calls 6

Hero/CO (~450) calls 6 with ATdd

Button (~200) calls 6

SB folds

BB (~250) calls 6

Pot (31). Flop is KcQsJh, action checks to Hero, who bets 10. I want to begin to build a pot, and feel that betting small keeps all one-pair hands in. After the button folds, the BB raises to 20. The initial raiser folds, and the player in +1 re-raises to 40.

Action is on Hero, with 101 in the pot and it's 30 to call. First time I've played with the BB, who has shown a tendency to overbet strong hands when draws are present to "take it down now." Minimal history with UTG+1, although he's somewhat of an OMC, so I'm giving him credit for being pretty strong here. Hero...?

4bet to 100

No flush draws possible. Seems like a great time to play slow. If you just call, the BB might even get crazy and 4bet for you. If you do the 4betting, AK-AJ will probably fold. Unlikely you're up against a set. If you're up against two pair, you're going to get a lot of their chips no matter how you play it.

Straights are nice hands to play fast because you’re not blocking the other hands people will call with. When you flop the nuts with QQ on a Q72r flop it’s hard for a ton of money to go in unless you got set over set. But with AT on KQJ you can be up against sets, 2-pair, the lower straight, any of the combo draws. It’s why I play flopped straights way faster than any other flopped nut hands.

Yeah I 4-bet here.

Noob perspective:

This is definitely a re-raise for me.

Not only are your opponents showing a ton of strength by min-raising, but there are a lot of scare cards that could kill your action or put you in a chop.

I'd raise to 100-ish, for which UTG+1 is probably committed (60 to call into 180 or 260) and BB might make the call as well. Worst case, BB hero-folds and you miss out on what, 20 bucks if you had just called and let him call behind? Definitely worth a raise to try to cooler these guys, as it sets you up for a turn shove before the board changes too much.

To be honest, my guess is BB has T9 and UTG+1 has 2-pair and you're probably getting the money in regardless, but yeah I'd fast play this.

Are villains good enough to realize your not folding is absurdly strong? If they are going to realize that you might as well go ahead and 4 bet now. Either they have a hand to play against your monster or they don't, no reason to give two people free cards if they are not putting money unless they have a monster also.

If villains are not thinking about your hand or will include weaker hands in your range then flat. This gives one of them a chance to bet first on the turn.

Probly flatting ip & allowing mistakes to be made at this small spr that allows us to easily gii otf if bb wigs out

If bb just flats & board pairs ott then likely shutting down to any largish sizing by either guy

Pretty close between trap and fastplay. Any additonal raise will look strong but if villain is commited they may just jam over a 85-100 bet.

Call is good.

FDFD would be even more of an incentive to call.

So, I wanted to raise here, because I figured that both the BB and the +1 were reasonably strong, with minimum pair/straight draw, possibly two pair, possibly straight (obv hopefully T9 if so), and I figured with most of these holdings, given the strength they've already shown, they could call a decent raise. That said, I think I butchered the sizing. I wanted to get it in on most turns, if not on the flop, and raised to 150. In retrospect, I like going 110-125 a bit better. Both Vs tank-folded, with the BB later saying he had KJ.

Of course they folded you told them you have a straight. Your continues are going to be strong hands like straights but not ONLY straights. There are 3 bdfds too, your essential shove sometimes has you getting freerolled. Just no reason to turn your hand face up, oh and if you or anyone else is thinking they can just work in more non-straights into a bet 4bet line, well, just stop the bs.

The hand read is the same as some ridiculous omc type making it 10x to go from utg and shoving the A58s flop.

your flop bet sizing gave me the sads

When is the last time anyone has ever put in a 4 bet on ANY street without the nuts?

Never? Then why would you turn your face up by doing so here?

I think a 4bet is fine because your at 1/2 and population sucks. If i was playing 10/25 vs a bunch of regs then its a flat all day.

However if you do 4bet sizing is crucial, 150 is just way too big. Anything from 80-110 is fine imo

I put in a 4b today w/ KThh preflop.

Honestly, I don't think your sizing is that much of a mistake. This situation is entirely dependent on the reads you have on how your opponents will react to your 4bet.

Either...

A. Your opponents are the type who have been waiting all day long to flop a set/2 pair and are never gonna fold to any size (well, don't go all-in, but whether you make it 100 or 150 shouldn't matter)

Or...

B. Your opponents are immediately gonna realize you have the nuts when you 4bet and will fold to any size

Sometimes we make the wrong reads, but if your read was option A then your sizing is fine. Try to be objective about whether or not this is what happened or if you just got a little over-anxious with the nuts.

If you're not sure what to do in future spots, you had an absolute dream spot to just flat and play perfectly across all runouts here. When in doubt, take the line that's guarenteed to work

what is omc?

old man coffee



flat here , you have position why let them off the hook

even at $1-2 fish know a 4-bet in position is the nuts