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10-19-2011 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
Can't even tell if your pfr is good without stack sizes.
PF I had about $150, Villain had about $250.
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10-19-2011 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
I have a bigger problem with hero's attitude toward villain during the post-mortem. Tilted or not, calling someone a clown and telling him to GTFO just because he outplayed you in a pot is pretty classless, and as shown, counter-productive. He's not going to learn much from you, as you had exactly what you repped pre and otf, yet you could have gleaned more about him as a player by chatting him up and finding out what he had. Must be one of the iPoker guys who comes in thinking Poker's just a math game when it's much more of a people game.
Thanks for your thoughts. I guess sarcasm doesn't come across an internet forum very well. In addition, calling someone a clown isn't nearly as bad as some of the other insults out there lol. FInally, I have enough rapport with this other player to be able to speak to him like that. Actually, he and I had drinks later that night.

Spoiler:
Villain wouldn't tell me what he had. I'll get it out of him today.
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10-19-2011 , 10:04 AM
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That spoiler was as disappointing as this spoiler
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10-19-2011 , 10:38 AM
Grunch

In conjunction with your previous actions, (1) large c-bet (2) turn check, your laughably small river bet basically told him that he could steal the pot from you. You pretty much could have accomplished the same thing by just telling him to take the pot with a bet and saved $15. Any time your river bet is half of your flop bet, that's not a value bet...

Dude comes over to talk, I'd probably ask him what he had first. He played it like A9 or hearts. Maybe K9 or Q9 if you're unlucky, but river is a call for me.


You need to work on your bet sizing. This whole betting big on the flop because you want them to go away... this is just a terrible mindset. Anyone paying the smallest amount of attention will be able to exploit this.

I'm fine with pre, I'd bet ~25 on the flop and I'd fire again on the turn. Having checked the turn, I think that river is a trivially easy check / call as he can easily have unimproved 9x hands or missed hearts. Stop seeing monsters under your bed, though he could have you beat, there's no reason for him to necessarily have a Q or a K in his hand here because you "saw him play KQ before."
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10-19-2011 , 11:37 AM
Grunch. Do you people believe this is a serious post? Looks more like bad satire to me.
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10-19-2011 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TheClubber
Grunch. Do you people believe this is a serious post? Looks more like bad satire to me.
It is a serious post. Thanks for your input to the discussion. Thanks to everyone's suggestions and input. I was able to win a pot today with pocket Js.

Spoiler:
Villain told me today he had pocket 8s. Put me on a busted flush draw.
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10-19-2011 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
really? two hearts is a dry board? bet as much as you can get called. i know people who would bet $60 on this flop because they are scared of hearts. i'm not saying i agree, but there are people at $1/$2 who played scared.

as OP said, he wants to end the hand now. he should have just shoved.
Uhhh yea... 952 with two hearts is a very dry board...

Why would you ever be afraid of a flush draw...

The odds of someone flopping a flush draw with suited cards in the hole is 10-1...

The odds of someone flopping a set are 7.5-1... you don't bet people off of their sets do you?

Just because a two hearts came on the flop you auto-put someone on a flush draw heads up? Thats ridiculous...

Anyway, betting 2/3 the pot is more then enough to give draws the wrong price... Even 1/2 is enough to price out a draw...
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10-19-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheClubber
Grunch. Do you people believe this is a serious post? Looks more like bad satire to me.
Why did you have to Grunch to make this comment?

As mentioned by numerous posters-Preflop fine, bet 20-25 flop, bet 1/2 pot turn.(don't fear flush draw/overcards so much)
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10-19-2011 , 07:06 PM
obviously, my sarcasm did not come through in my post that OP should shove the flop.

HE wanted to end the hand here, not me. People play suited cards at $1/$2 ALL THE TIME.
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10-19-2011 , 10:41 PM
grunch

preflop & flop are fine.

I would've checked the turn also. The pots already getting big as it is. Obviously we're hoping for any non heart, non ace, and non king on the river in which we check/call up to a reasonable sized bet. Since we got a bad river card I would've check/folded unless he bets very small which he won't. It feels like he may have flopped a set IMO.
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10-21-2011 , 11:54 AM
If you had $150, you now have less than pot bet on turn. Easy shove.
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