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03-31-2011 , 06:23 PM
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
everyone folds
small blind calls turns over k5
turn is 7
River is 9

go ahead and destroy this line.. I put him on Ak
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03-31-2011 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dpelta1
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
everyone folds
small blind calls turns over k5
turn is 7
River is 9

go ahead and destroy this line.. I put him on Ak
Welcome to the forum - next time format like this:

-Reads/Stack sizes or effective stacks
-Hero/Villain (can use numbers for multiple villains) in describing action
-wait on results

As played, if you put V on AK you played perfect and got sucked out on.
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03-31-2011 , 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpelta1
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
everyone folds
small blind calls turns over k5
turn is 7
River is 9

go ahead and destroy this line.. I put him on Ak
Bottom two pair is just a notch higher then AA (overpair) or TPTK with AK on a King high flop. If your stack is small like 30 to 50bb then you've got no problem. If you've got 300-400bb effective stack in deep games then bottom two pair is the hand that could easily be overtaken with two cards to come on certain board textures and make you a big loser. So, pay attention on effective stacks especially in an un-raised multiway pot. Why? - Because bottom two pair very rarely can win back 300-400bb in one shot but could easily lose that amount. I consider bottom two to be a small hand if my stack is deep. But this is just me and not many players play the way I do. I play for a living and I need to pay all my bills from my poker winnings. I love poker and I enjoy it very much but my main goal is to make sure I win so that I can pay bills and add some dollars to my bankroll constantly.

Che,
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03-31-2011 , 08:19 PM
thanks Che,

I think I learned my lesson on this
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04-01-2011 , 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpelta1
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
everyone folds
small blind calls turns over k5
turn is 7
River is 9

go ahead and destroy this line.. I put him on Ak
Destroy what line? You shoved it in with the best hand and got called by worse. That's how you make money in poker.

With 35-50 bb stacks, there's no other play. Nice hand.
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04-01-2011 , 06:39 AM
With 35-50 bb stacks, there's no other play. Nice hand.[/QUOTE]

+1
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04-01-2011 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyDonk
Destroy what line? You shoved it in with the best hand and got called by worse. That's how you make money in poker.

With 35-50 bb stacks, there's no other play. Nice hand.
+2

My guess is he only called you because he thought your overbet was a flush. If you think of your hand as slightly better than an overpair, perhaps the bet size is a bit extravagant? (but fine) His lousy kicker made a call highly questionable against such a big bet, and he had much the worst of it (worse than 2:1). Applying the fundamental theorem of poker, it's your opponent who goofed.
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04-01-2011 , 07:01 AM
You played it perfectly IMO.
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04-01-2011 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpelta1
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
everyone folds
small blind calls turns over k5
turn is 7
River is 9

go ahead and destroy this line.. I put him on Ak
Now see, this huge overbet is exactly the kind of thing that gets people excited about poker, at least the fish. They see this huge overbet and think "Hey, I'm being bluffed! He can't push ME around, I'm going to call!!!"

And you turn up 2 pair.

13,615,593 games 3.135 secs 4,343,091 games/sec

Board: 5d 6c 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.654% 74.19% 01.51% 10101252 206062.50 { 8h6d }
Hand 1: 24.346% 22.85% 01.51% 3110948 206071.00 { Kc5s }

You have pretty much crushed him. He runner-runner and bam, you lose. It happens. You got it in with the best.
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04-01-2011 , 12:20 PM
Bad luck, and although I would have played the hand diff, result may very likely have been the same.

I would have 3x OTF which would have made the pot $70 with a V call. V would likely check the turn, whereby you fire $40 AI. It is possible that the V may fold at <3-1 pot/implied odds to hit OESD. We are uncertain of that, but feasible.

We don't have a read on the V, so I'm speculating that your overshove OTF may have indicated draw (flush) to them. Thus with TP/BK a call was made. The table images of yourself and V would be helpful in your next post.

I also think that AK is raising PF.
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04-01-2011 , 12:27 PM
Preflop looks obvious.

I probably woulda just done a normal 3x raise on the flop which would bring the pot to $70ish if he called, leaving us with an easy PSB push on the turn depending on our actual stacks. With the drawyness of the board, perhaps even a slightly larger raise making pushing the turn easier is fine, but I don't think going AI is usually the best play here.

As it turns out, villain is obviously ******ed, so if that's your read then pushing was fine as it got the result you wanted. Not sure why you put villain on exactly AK (a lotta villains like to raise AK preflop, this board is drawy, he could have a zillion different hands here).

BTW, all cards that come after the decision point are unimportant to how the hand is played.

GgoodluckatthetablesG
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04-01-2011 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dpelta1
thanks Che,

I think I learned my lesson on this
Maybe spell out the lesson you think you learned regarding Che's post vs your hand.

(i.e. I'm not being a jerk, I'm just not convinced you're not being results oriented and didn't actually understand Che's post, which is with regards to huge stacks, totally different than your situation)
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04-01-2011 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpelta1
1/2 blinds everyone bought in for 70-100

I was BB with 68 4 people limp in to see the flop

flop K 6 8

small blind bet 10.00
I reraise all in to 70.00
So effective stacks were $70?

Flop was $12?
He Bets $10 into $12 making it $22? - you know your going to make a raise, and basically any raise you make is going to pot commit you - so you shoved your two pair hand.

Seems standard

Sarge
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04-02-2011 , 02:31 AM
pretty standard. buy in full
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