9 players - Blinds $1/3

UTG ($400) has recently sat down. Plays daily.


Setup
BB - Hero [K♠︎4c]

Preflop (Pot size: 4)

BB ($150) posts big blind $3
UTG calls $3
UTG+1 folds
MP calls $3
MP calls $3
Mp folds
CO folds
BTN folds
SB folds
Hero checks



Flop (Pot size: $15) [AsKd7s]

Hero checks
Villian bets $15
Mp folds
Mp folds
Hero calls $15



Turn (Pot size: $45) [2c]
Hero checks
Villian bets $35
Hero calls $35

River (Pot size $115) [4s]
Hero checks
Villian bets 100
Hero ?

My thinking was that Villian would put me on a flush draw and that last spade would give me a free river card.

1. Should i call?
2. What do you think Hero was representing?
3. What do you think Villian had?
4. How did I misplay this hand?

Enjoy this forum tremendously. Thanks for any input, and I apologize if I've posted incorrectly.

1) If you are the BB you wrote the HH down incorrectly, Im assuming "UG" means UTG and thats who V is. You went wrong calling on the flop with 2nd pair 4 kicker.

2) A bad ace once you fold the river.

3) QsJs, QsTs. You have the K so that takes away a pile of possibilities. How often does someone overbet a river card on a bluff when the flush hits in a limped pot? Almost never.

You're asking questions on the wrong street. You should have folded on the flop and never got to the river. Somebody has an ace in a limped pot. I guess to answer your other questions.

1. No. You have 2nd and 4th pair on a board where the FD came in and the villain bet big on the river.

2. Hero is representing a calling station. I'd put you on a weak ace.

3. Villain is repping a strong ace or better.

4. See above.

Thank you both for your thoughts, particularly since I screwed up the question and the hand. I'm trying to edit my post (or even delete and start again, but I seem to not be able to do so any more.

The River was not a 4, giving Hero 2 pair. Rather, it was an 8s.

So

BB - Hero [K♠︎4c]
UTG - Villian [??]

Flop: [AsKd7s]
Turn: [2c]
River: [8s]

Villian fired three pot-sized barrels and in the end essentially put me all in or close to it . . . .

Why wasn't he afraid of the Flush? I was trying to rep the flush in the end with my calls . . . or even trips . . . I know I he doesn't think AK because he would have thought I'd raise with A, but he didn't seem concerned at all about the possible made flush nor trips . . .

That's what confuses me . . . Why wouldn't he just check the river there . . . I'm guessing he has flopped trips . . . or was he just repping them?

Why didn't my calls scare him into letting me show down?
I can't call him there can I with only K4, right?

There are two explanations. The first, which is much more likely, is that he didn't care or notice that the FD got there. Lots of players once ahead just keep betting no matter the board development. Also keep in mind that Phil Ivey on TV once folded a made nut flush on the river. If Phil Ivey can miss it, so could this guy.

The less likely answer is that you've played a lot and he knows your tendencies. You'd have to be a reg to know he plays daily. You don't have an Ax FD, and considers it unlikely you'd limp with Kxs. Either you'd raise or fold. You said yourself you'd raise with Ax on the flop, so he knows you don't have that either. You'd likely raise a set, too. Therefore, your range is capped to second pair.

It doesn't really matter because you should have folded on the flop. On the river, stop the bleeding. Sure, he might be bluffing, but he'd play his TP hand the same way.

To add to what Venice10 said, it's hard for you to represent a flush on the river when you check. Because villain may have checked behind you should generally bet your flushes in this situation.

Villain is fairly polarized. Villain likely either has air/very weak hand and is trying to bluff you or has two pair/set/flush and is hoping you won't fold. But that whole analysis depends on villain thinking about bet sizing in a reasonable way and a lot of 1/2 villains are not.

Villain’s likeliest holdings are 2P+ imo. He’s putting you on a weaker hand and figured he’s committed by the river anyway. He can jam and get value or see a flush, oh well. He might even have had a flush draw himself, which is another reason not to be afraid of the river.

Really though the important thing is to just fold everywhere flop on. 2nd pair no kicker is not a good hand in a raised pot, let alone a limped one.

If you wanted to rep a flush draw, wouldn’t leading out on the flop be a better play?

How could you have trips? The board isn't paired.

Calling him down doesn't scare anyone. Check raising scares people. Of course I'm not saying you should be doing that in a 4 way limped pot in 1/3.

You should have folded the flop without even thinking twice about it.

Fold flop. Fold turn. As played, call the river.

Man, I love this board. Thanks so much for your thoughts. I see that if Hero were to represent the Flush, Hero would have needed to bet out on the river for the play to work. But even then it would have been the wrong play and the wrong time.

Hero was thinking that he had not had any good cards in a long while and needed to make a play to generate some momentum . . . maybe . . . Aggression or go home. In this case, go home post flop.

Hero, furthermore, guesses that he had been playing a lot over the last ten days and was building a rep for as anywhere from a Nit to an easy-to-read TAG. In fact, at this table on this, though the Villian wouldn't have yet known this since he had just sat down, many at the table had seen me lose a big hand with Kh flush to the Nut flush . . .

The table seemed to fold to my cbets of almost any size, since Hero wasn't entering many pots and when he did he did so with raises . . . in short, Hero was not getting paid with made hands, whether he cbet, over bet, under bet . . . Hero felt totally like he was playing with face up cards . . .

Further context: Hero has been thinking that maybe he presents and plays well enough that some lesser players may consider him knowledgeable (judging by their table convos) but those who really are knowledgeable know they can exploit him eventually for they see the inexperience show in leaky play . . .

Further context, pt 2: Hero tries to follow Harrington Cash Game model . . . and now perhaps better understands the ratio concept, when playing more sophisticated players . . . so he can get paid when his AA trip and so on . . .

Preflop is fine.

I check/fold the flop. Dude (who likely isn't a complete idiot if he's managing to not lose enough by playing every day) bet large into 3 opponents (2 of whom haven't even acted and have position on him). I assume we're going to rep the flush if it comes in because that is the only argument for a call here, imo.

I have no idea why we are still in the pot by the turn. We're just going to continue bluffcatching in a meaningless pot OOP?

Think I'd make a small blocking bet on the river. He won't be able to raise anything other than nuttish hands (as it looks like we were chasing the flush draw) and meanwhile if we bet small enough we might still get paid off by worse. I would probably go like $30/fold.

As played, I fold. If he was barreling a draw, it got there. Otherwise most people snap check back their TP hands and there's pretty much no worse two pair hands he should be showing up with for value.

ETA: Now knowing that we actually only have just a rather useless second pair on the river, we'd probably be better off just donking largish to ~$80 to rep the flush and turning our hand into a bluff.

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