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10-12-2021 , 03:19 PM
Hey guys

Wanted to see if anyone could give me advice on this.
I just sat down at 2/5 with 500. Got dealt 10d10s
Before me there was a raise to 15 and 3bet to 50 - I decided to call IP, the other player folded
Flop Jd 6h 4d check check
Turn Ad, he bets about half pot , I call
River 8s , now he put me all in -its about 1.6 to 1, I fold

Was completely unsure what to do.

I ran it with Pio, he said folding river is kind of ok, as I d have better hands with the range I play this way.
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10-12-2021 , 04:30 PM
You have AK/AQs I guess, unless you’re preflop strat involves 4betting AK or folding AQs (are you?).
He’s getting a awful price on his bluffs betting ~400 into 240.
You can fold everything except for AK/AQs, easily.

TBH I’d probably fold pre at this stack depth. You’re not deep enough to set mine. Even despite the fact that you have position.
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10-12-2021 , 04:31 PM
If you don't know the range of the 3bettor just fold pre since you have 100 big blinds and you're not deep enough to setmine (not that we're always set mining with TT).

The ace smashed the 3bettor's range, so that would be a good time to fold but if you call the turn you should be planning to call a river bet.
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10-12-2021 , 04:39 PM
With no other information on opponents I fold preflop to the 3 bet. It is a tight fold but the 3 bet is going to stick you with an awkward SPR post flop and other then hitting a set there are not really any flops that are good for you. You are also stuck here on knowing nothing about your opponent. These low SPR situations where villain had all of the preflop aggression and you know nothing about villain are hard to play even with position.

As played I would also fold to the turn bet. There are few non-bluff hands that make the 3 bet that are not beating you on this board and a good portion of bluffs are also.
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10-12-2021 , 04:55 PM
Yeah def fold turn here. Hard to come up with a hand worse than TT in your range
on this turn.
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10-12-2021 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkyplay
I ran it with Pio, he said folding river is kind of ok, as I d have better hands with the range I play this way.
What position did first PFR open and what position was 3bettor in?

What preflop ranges did you plug in to PIO for yourself and for 3bettor?
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10-12-2021 , 05:49 PM
Yeah, i hear what everyone is saying , it may be a fold pre , even though seems so tight.
It was my first hand at the table, but I did know the villain . It was someone I played with. He is pretty good reg, capable of aggression and such.

The open was like UTG and 3bet was next to act player, and I am to the direct left.

With ranges, I thought i might 4bet shove QQ and JJ and AK.
Just call like 99+, good suited BWs like AQ , KQs, slowplayed AA, KK, some AK
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10-12-2021 , 05:53 PM
And for the villain range, like a normal 3bet range, 6-8% .
Definitely not someone who only 3bets AA KK.
Could have KQ as a bluff
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10-12-2021 , 06:31 PM
If the villan is good as you say. Unless he knows something about UTG his 3! range here should b quite snug since he has elected to 3 bet an UTG open from UTG+1.
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10-12-2021 , 07:11 PM
My preflop 3-bet cold-flatting range is the empty set. Four-bet or fold. Why cap our range in an expensive pot?

I would muck TT preflop in that spot without hesitation.
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10-13-2021 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
My preflop 3-bet cold-flatting range is the empty set. Four-bet or fold. Why cap our range in an expensive pot?

I would muck TT preflop in that spot without hesitation.
What is your 4b range here and what sizing?
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10-15-2021 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
What is your 4b range here and what sizing?
{QQ+, AKs, AKo} maybe 125 (2.5x)

ETA: Maybe some AJo or KJo combos as bluffs with nut blockers
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10-16-2021 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkyplay
And for the villain range, like a normal 3bet range, 6-8% .
Definitely not someone who only 3bets AA KK.
Could have KQ as a bluff
If you believe he's 3betting a UTG raise 6-8%, KQs is a solid portion of his range. The bottom of his range is KTs, 88 and AQo. If that was the case, TT is a toss up against that range and would an easy 4 bet in position. However, I don't believe you think that range is "normal" and the villain is that wide. That's why it is a fold pf.
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10-16-2021 , 04:46 PM
Haven't read the other replies, I find it irritating you didn't state your position or any visual reads on the other players or give their stack sizes. Generally I'm just folding pre so I'm not in this situation. I fold turn because this smashes his range and we have almost no chance to improve OTR.
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10-17-2021 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
My preflop 3-bet cold-flatting range is the empty set. Four-bet or fold.....
i'm not familiar with the term "empty set". Could you define that for me?/Thanks
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10-17-2021 , 09:54 PM
he is saying he would either raise or fold in that situation
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10-18-2021 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by crsseyed
i'm not familiar with the term "empty set". Could you define that for me?/Thanks
He has no hand range for that action, so it's empty.
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10-18-2021 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
My preflop 3-bet cold-flatting range is the empty set. Four-bet or fold. Why cap our range in an expensive pot?

I would muck TT preflop in that spot without hesitation.
+1

OP, generally avoid cold-calling 3B, particularly this tight configuration.
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10-18-2021 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by crsseyed
i'm not familiar with the term "empty set". Could you define that for me?/Thanks
The empty set, also known as the null set, is the set with no members.
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10-18-2021 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
The empty set, also known as the null set, is the set with no members.
Computer science or math major in college?
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10-18-2021 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkyplay
Yeah, i hear what everyone is saying , it may be a fold pre , even though seems so tight.
It was my first hand at the table, but I did know the villain . It was someone I played with. He is pretty good reg, capable of aggression and such.

The open was like UTG and 3bet was next to act player, and I am to the direct left.

With ranges, I thought i might 4bet shove QQ and JJ and AK.
Just call like 99+, good suited BWs like AQ , KQs, slowplayed AA, KK, some AK
So your flatting range is {AK (50%), AQs,KQs,TT,99, partials of AA/KK}. I think you get to fold 30-40% of your range on the turn facing a half PSB. Your continues are gonna be AK, AQ,KdQd,TT/99 with a diamond, and any combo of KK/AA. You fold bottom 60% of range in the river. PIO is gonna say that TT is a fold, I guess. overbet river line is fairly underbluffed in my experience, so you can probably overfold relative to PIO. Idk what hand wants to take this size except for a flush, or a bluff, or AA/JJ, so it’s a pretty weird spot. Def fold river with TT. If you wanna continue with any hand you can call with AQ/AK or maybe KK (diamond) if you’re truly flatting those hands rather than 4betting them.
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10-19-2021 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by samo
+1

OP, generally avoid cold-calling 3B, particularly this tight configuration.
+2

Cold flatting 3bets is one of those things you can pretty much just entirely remove from your game and not stress about.
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10-19-2021 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 411Heelhook
+2

Cold flatting 3bets is one of those things you can pretty much just entirely remove from your game and not stress about.
At 100bb, yeh. Gets more difficult at 250bb+.

Also fold turn, and I don't think it's close (even if a solver disagrees, villain needs to be checking a solver range on flop). There are zero good cards for you on the river, villain has all the higher pairs and higher flush draws. Can probably shove ~100% of rivers.
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10-19-2021 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Computer science or math major in college?

Neither. Didn't they teach set theory in fifth-grade math where you grew up?
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10-19-2021 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Neither. Didn't they teach set theory in fifth-grade math where you grew up?
u must b exra smart. I didnt learn that stuff till 6th grade i think
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