How is anyone still posting serious comments in this thread? Did you not read the troll where they won't color you up and if you can't balance all the chips, you are SOL? LOL.

There is a discrepancy between the title of your post and its content. Tell me, what exactly is the "leak" that you are attempting to fix?

Are you trying to work on your "quitting" skills or are you trying to work on your "deep stack" play?

Sounds like you should learn to "quit" better until your deep-stack game improves. You can't fix your deep-stack game overnight, as this involves time and effort analysing your own game and developing your knowledge of SPR, 3betting, and position among things.

However, learning how to quit better can be improved almost immediately, but still requires thought and effort. Create a list like Dgiharris suggests and constantly monitor your own mindset and behaviour at the table. I'd also strongly recommend reading Tommy Angelo's views on "quitting" in Elements of Poker. Keep in mind that "quitting" needs to be practised as well, so that it becomes second nature, especially to avoid the habit of only quitting when "you-are-up".

That was my sarcastic response to the genius who said rack up and leave

what exactly is your question here OP?

the title to the thread is leaving when you're up and then the conclusion is that you should move up in stakes when you hit that buy in amount.

because buying into a new, bigger table halfway through your session helps you leave with your profits locked in?

honestly, your OP and your responses to suggestions are confused. It seems that you are generally very happy with your play, don't understand why you're not winning more but don't really want to take much advice, from the forum, despite seeking it out.

that's all good, it's your money and time, but it kind of reduces the incentive to help.

as normal, DGI gave excellent and considered advice and the best part of it was that it was self;help for you rather than prescribed advice, which you seem not to listen to.


good luck

Not exactly sure what you're talking about not taking advice. I think breaking from the table for meals would be a good start for me. I am going to make a list like DGI said and take the next week studying. My main leak here is play against short stacks when I am deep. But wouldn't it be better to start booking a profit and following guidelines similar to DGI? there's no erasing why I can't be a winning player, imo I think the best bet will be quitting when my stack is 2-3x fish or worse players as I feel I could lose more than I could win. After getting disciplined with quitting whether ahead or behind then focus on effective stack playing shorter stacks.

get a girlfriend

Have one

If playing worse when you are ahead is a problem for you, then use a stop-win.

It wasn't until I read "Elements of Poker" by Tommy Angelo that I realized that quitting is skill unto itself. We all practice hands, situations, what-ifs, but we rarely if ever practice quitting. If you want to get good at quitting while you're ahead it's something you have to practice. Set some goals before you start your session. Then practice quitting. No excuses. No reasons for why you can't. Figure out how to overcome all the excuses and obstacles that you will put in your own way. Eventually you'll get it if you want to.

Once a good player has the chips it hard to get them from him/her. If you don't fall into that category: Study and improve your game. If that doesn't work just manufacture wins: Hit and run.

Set a time limit. Say, "I'm going to play 5 hours" then at the end of 5 hours you rack up and go home.

Easy game.

this has to be a level

Nah, I chuckled. And found it funny that some thought he was serious.

i meant the whole thing, but it only quoted your post even though i hit multiquote.

lol oops. I was owned. Carry on.

Winning long term in poker is all about discipline. You have to train yourself to play the proper way, every time, everyday. This takes some practice. If you're having trouble with short stacks, it likely means you are calling their pre flop raises with hands that don't play well against a short stack. Or, you're not paying attention when a short stack has limped into a pot, you raise, they shove, and you have to fold, or you're forced to call with a hand that again plays poorly against a short stack. Read up on short stack play, so you know how they are playing and what they are thinking. Then read up on how to play a big stack against a short stack.

As far as knowing when to quit, I suggest setting two limits, and making only a couple exceptions.

a) stop loss limit. set up an amount you will lose for the day and when you hit that point, you quit. you can make exceptions to this if you you are playing well but just getting the bad end of variance. example: your stop loss is two buy ins, but you lost the first one because of flopping set under set, and you lost the second when you got it in with AA vs KK and they spiked a K on you. You're playing well, so there may be a reason to make an exception to this limit today.

b) an hourly limit. decide how many hours per session you are comfortable playing. if you consistently become tired or bored after 8 hours of play, your limit should be 8 hours. if you are ahead or stuck, you still get up. the exception for this when the table is very soft and profitable. go get some coffee and keep playing.

After a while if you're putting in enough hours (it took me playing full time 8 hours most every day to finally get to this point) you will easily be able to recognize when you are playing properly. If you start feeling tilty, bored, aggitated, etc...you quit for the day. If you are ahead a good amount and you start finding yourself adjusting your play to protect your win (in a bad way, not in a way where you are just adjusting for your stack size) you quit for the day. Some days you sit down to play, and after an hour you realize you just don't feel like playing. If that's the case, quit for the day, don't force it. Poker is a job where you can just go home for the day if you're disinterested(obviously, you can't do this everyday), so take advantage of this luxury, as your BR will suffer greatly if you play too much when you are disinterested.

I've watching people (and been guilty of it myself) get a big profit, but then start playing passively....limping in with AK, JJ, etc. Eventually they slowly bleed their profit back.

Another leak is when you are running cold, you find yourself making bargains with yourself to play a hand. "i'll play this J8s UTG just this one time". You have to really discipline yourself to play like a machine(within reason of course). When you are running cold...keep folding......still running cold.....keep folding. Fold for 8 hours if you have to, but don't talk yourself out of playing properly.


Same goes for playing against short stacks. If you know you should fold a hand because a short stack is likely to go all in, don't talk yourself into playing that hand. Trust your knowledge and fold.