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Originally Posted by Codemanod
I'll say playing these guys can be +ev in more than 1 way.
I had a guy like this at my table a while back, I don't remember exact chip counts but we were both pretty deep, I'll say +200bb at least.
I was 2 to his left (position). He opened, I 3 bet w/ 9Ts, all fold, v calls ( this is what he did, if he 4bet I could actually put him on a range but he would flat here w/ atc). Flop AT2r, he donked, I raised, he shoved I snap call, (I knew he didn't have an A or he would 4bet me pre, so I knew I was way ahead of his range and was calling). He flipped over 44.
Now the table saw this and now I'm the "maniac spewtard" and no one was giving me credit for a hand thinking I was going to get it in with any pair.
It was a good night.
This. Especially the bolded part. You'd be amazed what calling down a $500 pot with A high (and winning) on a 1/2 will do for your image for the rest of the night.
I will say that these types of extreme scenarios only happen rarely though. I've been at the table twice in the past month with a guy who consistently donks 10+ buy-ins at 1/2 (over $3K where I play) when ever he sits down. The first time it took people a few orbits to get adjusted to $17 PFR every hand, but once it was clear what was happening it became very profitable for everyone.
With respect to position, I actually like being to a true maniac's direct right. Guy from my example had a VPIP of 100% and would c-bet 100%, so I would limp basically the top 25% of hands, let him raise, and then see what the rest of the table would do. Most 1/2 tables people are not 3-betting without 1010+, so if he got callers I would 3-bet to isolate (if he was raised before it got me I was typically folding unless I actually had a preimum hand), folding to 4-bets from anyone but the maniac unless I was in top 5% of hands, and if he didn't get callers I would call and be heads up . Because he would always c-bet any board it didn't matter that I was out of position every hand, because I knew that 30+ was going into the pot regardless every time. Multi-way this allows you to basically play perfectly against the whole table, since they would play fit/fold post-flop.
As noted by other posters above, BR is very important though. You can't be afraid to get it in with middle pair and lose to a spiked top pair on the river. You have to have the attitude that you'll get it back soon enough.