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11-14-2023 , 08:02 PM
Blinds are $1-$2, game is $2-$100 spread-limit.

V1 (stack $300, Aries) opens in LJ for $10. V2 Button (stack $230, Libra sun with Scorpio rising) calls. I 3-bet Jc4c in the SB to $40. The V1 raiser folds, but the V2 Button calls again. So we go heads-up to:

FLOP: AdQc3s (pot: $90, heads-up)

We down-bet to $25 (to getV2 to fold his 55-99 hands), but he calls again.

TURN: AdQc3s 5c (pot: $140)

Well we’ve turned just about the best card in the world for us, picking up a straight and flush draw. Villain has $165 back, but with the spread-limit I can’t shove. Do I:

A) check and hope V checks back so I realize my equity for free

B) bet like $40 to “set my own price” and pray he doesn’t raise

C) bet $100 to maximize my fold equity

???
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11-14-2023 , 08:50 PM
Much as I'm not much of a fan of limon's more recent posting, he had a classic back in the day: "I love all of the posts that say disregard everthing I did before I got check raised all in on the river and just tell me what to do now. Its like, “hey Dad its me billy and im in jail. Don’t ask me why I got drunk (standard). Don’t ask me why I drove (yawn). Don’t ask me how my car ended up in a 7-11 (meh). Just tell me how to keep from getting buttf***ed tonight.

The truth is the beginning of the hand is the MOST important part…BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. Just like w/ 9 ball every shot sets up the next shot(s)."
- Limon 4/10/2009
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11-14-2023 , 10:04 PM
I'm assuming you 3 bet a **** hand because you have in depth knowledge on the two villains that implies it would be profitable.

Can you share that in depth knowledge so we can work out what you should do on the turn?
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11-14-2023 , 10:38 PM
I can pretend you have JTcc so I don't have to say fold preflop, but even that is a bit too loose as a 3bet since the stacks are going to be short relative to the pot you're building.
As played either check the turn or blast for the full $100. With 12 outs it is close enough to the right price for you, when you account for maximum fold equity.
Are there no reads because everyone plays the same, like some sort of muppet, and only hero is slinging chips like a champ?
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11-15-2023 , 06:01 AM
id pot and xf river. the issue with checking to realize your equity is your hand absolutely sucks to face a bet with and theres a bunch of gutters / Qx / random pairs or floats he peels once with that you can fold out. small i guess is alright as its pretty hard for him to raise you but you have a bad combo to continue with otr and most of the hands you've posted have shown people making ridiculous laydowns in your game. you also have a large range advantage on this board and an extremely good combo to leverage that with.

its hard to tell if you're trolling with some of these hh
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11-15-2023 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
its hard to tell if you're trolling with some of these hh
I was looking at my history and realized my last like 17 posts here were all hands that I won (or otherwise played well) and was like “ok, time to ask for advice on….The Others.”
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11-15-2023 , 12:15 PM
Obviously we shouldn't be screwing around 3B'ing J4s pre, but sometimes we can get away with some shenanigans. The issue is that when we get called, we have to play the rest of the hand.

I think the flop is just a check-back. We got caught with our hand in the cookie jar. This is one of those spots where we really don't want the betting lead, and don't want to put ourselves in a spot where we can only win by triple-barrelling.

We pick up equity on the turn, so we can call a reasonably-sized bet. Odds are V isn't going to bet turn huge. If V checks turn after we check-back flop, we can put in a modest-sized delayed c-bet, expecting V to fold at a high frequency. He can't have much thick value if he checks to us twice.

River - catch an off-suit 2 and go huge for value, v-bet 2/3 pot on a club. I think we should just give up and check back on most other cards, but I suppose we could sometimes barrel any card that isn't a Broadway card.
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11-15-2023 , 12:29 PM
3betting this hand could be very good or very bad - really matters how wide button calls the raise and how he plays postflop. If they fold to 3bs at a high % or call super wide and fold most flops then its fine, but if their range is tighter and they're stickier post things change. Maybe there's good logic or maybe there isn't for the 3b, but that's all it comes down to imo. The 25 is a little low for a flop bet imo - keeps his range wider. What's his turn range? Qx/Ax+? With that said you have clubs and a gutter - I would max bet 100 here so he folds Qx and maybe he folds some Ax here. Luckily you turned equity so you can keep your foot on the gas.
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11-15-2023 , 08:29 PM
Don't play junk. As played, I would make it the max 100 OTT, pricing myself in to call a shove and probably x/f the river unimproved. He shouldn't be calling with many draws to bluff him off.
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11-17-2023 , 04:31 PM
RESULT:
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TURN: AdQc3s 5c (pot: $140)
I did in fact lead for $100, praying he called the flop with KQ or TT or something to give up on a second bullet, or that he’d just be scared and make a bad fold with AT.

But no such luck, he called and I need to hit…

River: AdQc3s 5c 9d (pot: $340)

I was not dumb enough to try to get him to fold his last $60. I checked and he checked back with AK that didn’t 3-bet preflop because he was 9000 years old and that’s a drawing hand.
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11-17-2023 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
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I did in fact lead for $100, praying he called the flop with KQ or TT or something to give up on a second bullet, or that he’d just be scared and make a bad fold with AT.

But no such luck, he called and I need to hit…

River: AdQc3s 5c 9d (pot: $340)

I was not dumb enough to try to get him to fold his last $60. I checked and he checked back with AK that didn’t 3-bet preflop because he was 9000 years old and that’s a drawing hand.
Note how much of your money he got by not 3-betting flop and realize it is very likely he has a better read on you than you have on him.
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