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04-28-2023 , 10:15 AM
5 handed 1/1

UTG opens 7bb (122bb)
Hero in SB calls 10d10h (300bb)

Played with this player a couple of times not much. Dosnt seem very strong player don’t think he’s a winning player

I normally call here. But sometime 3B.

Flop 7c7d5c (15bb)
Hero checks
UTG bets 12bb
Hero calls

Turn 7c7d5c 5d (39bb)
Hero checks
UTG bets 20
Hero shoves

Was this line ok ? Didn’t want to call and have bad river ?
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04-28-2023 , 10:36 AM
UTG opening range is usually pretty strong. What are you trying to accomplish with your shove? Do you just want to make sure he doesn't hit his hand (A,K,Q,J) on the river? Do you think he's folding better? Do you think he's calling with worse?
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04-28-2023 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
UTG opening range is usually pretty strong. What are you trying to accomplish with your shove? Do you just want to make sure he doesn't hit his hand (A,K,Q,J) on the river? Do you think he's folding better? Do you think he's calling with worse?
I’m never expecting him to fold better. However there are so many bad rivers than kill my hand. He maybe calls with with AK or AQ with a flush draw.

I think the main reason I shoved is he has 80bb back and I will have to fold a lot of bad rivers
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04-28-2023 , 10:53 AM
Pre: What leads you to form this profile on V? Does he limp a lot? If yes, then this 7x raise from UTG should be concerning. 5 handed I will usually 3! TT from anywhere, unless I know the opener is SUPER tight or usually limps.

Flop: 80% bet. We should be concerned when a "weak player" bets so big on this small paired board. Too nitty to fold right now.

Turn: Do you think this "weak" player is double barreling with QJ+ on this turn? I don't see the merit in crai. You're forcing out 12% equity from overcards, which don't seem likely, and getting crushed by everything else. Again, it would be helpful to know why you categorized him as weak. I think I'm getting milked here by a bigger overpair but there's an outside chance he has 88-99 or AQ, AK that feels compelled to bet. Calling 1 more and folding to river bet unless we hit T.
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04-28-2023 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Diezeljj
Pre: What leads you to form this profile on V? Does he limp a lot? If yes, then this 7x raise from UTG should be concerning. 5 handed I will usually 3! TT from anywhere, unless I know the opener is SUPER tight or usually limps.

Flop: 80% bet. We should be concerned when a "weak player" bets so big on this small paired board. Too nitty to fold right now.

Turn: Do you think this "weak" player is double barreling with QJ+ on this turn? I don't see the merit in crai. You're forcing out 12% equity from overcards, which don't seem likely, and getting crushed by everything else. Again, it would be helpful to know why you categorized him as weak. I think I'm getting milked here by a bigger overpair but there's an outside chance he has 88-99 or AQ, AK that feels compelled to bet. Calling 1 more and folding to river bet unless we hit T.
Just from what I have seen so far. Haven’t seen him open raise a lot. He does limp. Not overly much but will limp in.

I think I flat a lot with hands like 88 99 1010 since I struggle to play them after the flop.

Flop I agree way to nitty to fold so I just called

On turn o think he will give up with just two over cards. But maybe will bet with two over and flush draw I was more thinking is there any river apart from a 10 I want to see.

Maybe check calling and seeing what he does on river is better
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04-28-2023 , 04:24 PM
Shouldn't be raising this turn. Call and evaluate river.

Sure, AQKJ is good for him. But T98765432 is good for us.

And he doesn't like seeing a diamond or a club either on a double paired board.
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04-28-2023 , 05:56 PM
I don’t like the hero’s passive line with the aggressive end. You’re flying blind, not sure if v is super loose A5s and A7s, 78s, etc or a strong range ahead of hero. It looks bloody.

I more often than not 3b TT in the SB even against a UTG open, because it’s an easy fold against a 4b. If UTG calls the 3b, then bet only 1/3 pot on the flop, since you are probably behind but can still induce better to fold. The pressure may also yield a tell or give some better read.

AP, check call turn. I think a shove is a spew.

Last edited by adonson; 04-28-2023 at 06:12 PM.
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04-28-2023 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
I will have to fold a lot of bad rivers
Folding bad rivers when you’re beat is how you make money. Don’t like your opponents be afraid to check, fold, call, or raise the river as necessary. Those who can’t stand to face the river lose money. I was sadly one of them.

Last edited by adonson; 04-28-2023 at 06:14 PM.
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04-29-2023 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
Was this line ok ? Didn’t want to call and have bad river ?
So just ensure you get it in behind on the turn?

Look, playing middle pairs out of position on low boards is difficult, precisely because you never know if you're beating anything or not. V could have 99 and think it's good right? This is your penance for playing out of position. You are at an inherent disadvantage and there's nothing you can do about it. Jamming to remove any further decisions is not the play. Putting people on quads and AA is also not the play. So what can you do? You can call and see if he bets again. Remember from his POV he could also be drawing dead no matter what he has. He doesnt know you arent slowplaying quads or a fullhouse here. If a flush hits he doesnt know you werent somehow chasing that as well. He has just as much to fear looking at JJ as you do looking at TT. Therefore, if he bets for the 3rd time cmon, he's gotta have it. And if he doesnt? Bravo, he utilized position to his advantage and outplayed you. Winning players sometimes fold the best hand.
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04-29-2023 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Yogurt Daddy
Shouldn't be raising this turn. Call and evaluate river.

Sure, AQKJ is good for him. But T98765432 is good for us.

And he doesn't like seeing a diamond or a club either on a double paired board.
Yeah very true there will be a lot of rivers he checks back as well
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04-29-2023 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by adonson
Folding bad rivers when you’re beat is how you make money. Don’t like your opponents be afraid to check, fold, call, or raise the river as necessary. Those who can’t stand to face the river lose money. I was sadly one of them.
Yeah maybe an over play on my side shoving turn
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04-29-2023 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
So just ensure you get it in behind on the turn?

Look, playing middle pairs out of position on low boards is difficult, precisely because you never know if you're beating anything or not. V could have 99 and think it's good right? This is your penance for playing out of position. You are at an inherent disadvantage and there's nothing you can do about it. Jamming to remove any further decisions is not the play. Putting people on quads and AA is also not the play. So what can you do? You can call and see if he bets again. Remember from his POV he could also be drawing dead no matter what he has. He doesnt know you arent slowplaying quads or a fullhouse here. If a flush hits he doesnt know you werent somehow chasing that as well. He has just as much to fear looking at JJ as you do looking at TT. Therefore, if he bets for the 3rd time cmon, he's gotta have it. And if he doesnt? Bravo, he utilized position to his advantage and outplayed you. Winning players sometimes fold the best hand.
Agreed. Yeah I might have got lucky in this situation as he called and had 66. Didn’t think I would be ahead when he called. Should have called turn and reevaluated
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04-29-2023 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
Yeah maybe an over play on my side shoving turn
Last time I made an epic folding error with TT in the SB V Degen
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