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How to butcher a flopped boat with TheGramuel How to butcher a flopped boat with TheGramuel

03-28-2014 , 02:02 PM
1-2 NL, Bally's WWW.

I really played this awfully (I'm roughly 98% certain), want advice on all streets aside from pre-flop

Hero - 30yo British guy, been at the table about 2 hours, probably seen as fairly tight but stack has been fairly swongy.

Lost 2p vs a set (remarkably the idiot played it so passively I raised the river for value and he only tank called a fairly dry board, so it was only a medium one), losing when I put a shorty all in with a gutshot and FD and bricked.

I had won a few largish pots, including one where I opened the button with 53ss to $10, BB flatted, BB check-minraised the 5x2x2s flop, I flatted, turn was 9s, she led small, I called, river was another 5, she shoved for like 1.5x pot I snapped she has 77 gg.

V1 (BB - $300) - seems to be a drooler. Hadn't seen him show down much aside from having the nut flush and betting $20 into $100 on the river, and limping a lot

V2 (UTG - $500) - solid winning player, if I had to guess. Was playing made hands very fast including an awesome hand where a deep OMC raised UTG, he flatted from the BB, flop was 6 2 9, OMC bets, he shoves $300 into like $50 and OMC snaps with AA and loses to 66. OMC left and V2 told me later he literally only ever raises KK+ and he knows he will go broke on 95% of boards if behind, hence the massive overshove.

6 limps (lol), I overlimp 68 on the button, SB completes

Flop is 668

SB checks, BB bets $10, UTG calls, folds to hero.

Hero flats (mistake right? Wet board need to get some $$ in now before scare cards come off. Thought process at the time was massively flawed, wanted to represent a draw that bricked and then seem like I bluff raised the river, obviously this is flawed).

Turn is 2

BB leads $25, he obviously loves his hand here, UTG flats again.

Hero???

Remaining action in spoiler:

Spoiler:
Hero flats again, figured these two loved their hands at this point (BB obv has an overpair or maybe the case 6, UTG probably has a draw, didn't want to scare the draw but this is bad and I know it now.

River is 7

BB leads $70, UTG tank folds, Hero shoves, BB flashes a 6 and folds.

Last edited by TheGramuel; 03-28-2014 at 02:28 PM.
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03-28-2014 , 04:18 PM
My personal opinion is that the flat on the flop is not awful.

But I really think the turn flat gives up value.

Everyone limps, so the pot is small on the flop ($12, $32 once it gets to you). With a bet of $10, I can see reasons for a raise, but not mandatory. You have such a good hand, you can charge for draws, but who knows how much they would pay for straight/flush draws.

On the turn, the pot is $40 ish, then with two $25 bets $90. I think there is no problem at all with you popping it to $75 at this point. Your $50 raise into a $165 pot gives the other players $50 to call. You almost certainly drag both players in.

At that point the bigger pot allows the BB to lead/call a river bet of $165 ish, instead of his almost pot bet of $70.

Just my two cents though.
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03-28-2014 , 04:27 PM
On such a wet board, people are going to find all sorts of reasons to stick around. Raise every chance you get.
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03-28-2014 , 04:53 PM
People don't bluff raise river with missed flushes often.
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03-28-2014 , 05:08 PM
You can raise flop but I don't think it's criminal that you flatted - it's not the worst thing if we allow gutshots and underpairs with terrible RIO to hang around cheaply. Turn needs to be a raise though once there's another bet and a caller. We need to start building a pot with such a strong hand and with at least one of them likely on a draw, we want to charge them before they brick off.
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