Hello everyone, I have been quietly reading 2+2 for years, and have finally decided to contribute a hand. I am a 32 y/o casual player who put in a good bit of volume both online and at Turning Stone back in my college days. We decided to start a company in 2009 and since then my volume has drastically decreased. My main games now are $2/$5 NLHE and $5/$10 NLHE live, and mainly $1/$2 - $5/$10 PLO online, occasionally playing some NLHE at those stakes. I'm a US player so Bodog is the only comfortable option online, and once in awhile I like to actually know who I'm playing against so I'll go to the Horseshoe.

So into the action....

It's late, around 5am on a Saturday. The game at the point is mostly straight-forward, ABC type regs. The exception was an older gentlemen (Villian 1 below) in his 70s whom had gotten stacked 2 times in the past hour. He had an incredibly wide range in every position, VPIP had to be 50-60>, since he sat down an a few hours earlier. From watching him, it was clear that he had a very good sense of where he was at in most of the hands he played, but simply could not fold, ever. The two times he got stacked, he was ahead on the flop/turn and was betting/raising only to get sucked out on by the river. He was crazy tilted by this point in the night.

I'm UTG + 1 ($1300), Villian is MP ($800ish), Villian 2 is button (we both had him covered) there is a live straddle. I open the pot for $30 with JJ and they both call.

Flop ($90) is 732. I bet $45 for value/protection, and they both flat. I'm pretty sure that most at the table will put me on a very strong range as I had been recently quite TAGish and able to run a few bluffs earlier because of this image. Villian 1's range as I mentioned before was quite wide, but at this point I'm putting him on middling cards, maybe suited wheel type cards. Villian 2 is solid and straightforward maybe most of the time, but I felt that he was weak/drawing here, as I had seen him play several of his made two pair/set type hands fast on the flop in position.

Turn ($225) is 5 I decided to check knowing I'd have a tough decision if villian 1 bet as this card fit into his range very well, but he checked. Villian 2 seemed to have a very honest bet sizing in most situations, and bet out $60 after taking some time. To me, the sizing and the way he bet seemed timid, as if in his head he had decided that this was going to be a bet/fold if raised, and a check on the river if he didn't improve. I felt as though he did not have spades, but maybe 1 pair with flush draw which i was good against, or two small pair in which with the bet at 4:1 i believe I had the correct odds to call, so I did.

Villian 1 I think picked up on the weakness in his bet and instantly raised to $120, Villian 2 tanked and folded, and it was $60 to win $465 to me. At this point, the way I was playing the hand I felt the old guy knew pretty confidently that I was holding and over-pair to the board. I'm thinking that he would've re-raised JJ or better preflop, so the most likely of hands would be those middling type cards or wheel cards. So I decided after sometime that he was either semi-bluffing a pair+gutter, pair+FD, or worse case two pair. Looking at our immediate pot-odds this is obv an easy call, but when you factor in reverse implied odds can I fold here? Or should I have folded to the original button bet of $60? In any case,

River ($525) is 2. So the board runout is;
73252
Villian has $600, left in his stack I decide to shove hoping it looks like I missed my draws so I'm spazzing, and he insta-calls and flips over 75

TLR Is this river shove spewy and only profitable against the fishiest of fish? I had been telling myself that the shove was for value, but im not sure if long run against most I should think of it this way. Maybe merge this hand into a bluff to get a flush to fold??

For any of you that bothered to read this wall of text, I thank you. Just looking for any input and/or **** talking for entertainment if this is not even worth discussing

Cheers!

I think you know you made a mistake and got lucky to basically get called by the only hand you beat.
He'd prolly 3! QQ+ with a spade so we could at least take those out of his range but your equity still sucks even getting those odds, you have 1 pair it would have sucked if he woke up with A2ss or 64ss or any flush that he's never folding to your river shove, especially because he's tilting.

You knew you were suppose to fold OTT and I agree, you should have!

Ps
Cool read tho.😉

1. Looks like a typical Horseshoe hand. Kinda expected him to turn over As2x.

2. BBV is that way ------>

I think you played the hand fine. I personally like a slightly largerer bet on the flop like possibly 60 but that's my opinion. On the turn you have 10 outs against a set and like 16 against 2 pair (math might be off been up way to long) getting 8 to 1 is call

Bet 65-75 on the flop

Bet 2/3 to 3/4 pot on the turn

As played on the river:
A flush will almost never fold (so it is a spew)

All other better hands are calling (so it is spew)

75 is like the only worse hand that will call this bet

The general rule is: bet your hand for value if your hand is good >50% WHEN called
AND your hand is too good to turn into a bluff

If you didn't put him on a flush when he only bet 60 on the turn, why didn't you raise him there? Not saying that I would have, but considering what you ended up doing on the river, it makes more sense.