just so i understand you expect him to raise all 2 pair on the flop but to flat with all straights and then jam a board pairing / higher straightening river? im not saying the hand is a call or a fold, but i think thats a really bizarre parlay of assumptions to make. i think river sizing is too small by us if its unclear if he will raise worse hands and we think he has 43 / trips in range

also, the hand got edited right? i swear the first time i looked at this the flop was monotone

Strawman argument. This is poker, a gambling game… every bet is laying a price to call, and nothing is definite. If he raises flop with two pair + some % of the time, and slowplays 43 some % of the time, he can easily reach river with an equal ratio of boats: straights. But river is a call as long as he has 2:1 boats straights… no contradictory assumptions needed to justify a call.

No, the board was not editted. There was only a flush draw on the board. My reads where slighlt modified

are you sure? because i remember it being monotone and then someone posted and said "holy turn spew" which i doubt they would do with 2 overs / bdfd / nut gutter. isnt a big deal if it was and maybe im going crazy lol

Turn is still a spew. Im betting with gutter, 2 overs and a flush draw on the turn... but I will never get a fold of both villains in this spot so it was quite bad lol

If I said it once I said it a thousand time. A good player knows when to lay down a big hand. We make money by folding (not by calling).

Are people only calling because it's the 2nd to last hand then? If so, how does everyone even know he would do this on the next to last hand? Has he done this every time they say last call? If so, call of course, but on the surface he's so wide there that he could show up with all sorts of FH's ainec. I don't see anything here to say it's a snap, but maybe if I was there, or knew just as much as the hero knew but didn't post it, maybe I'd call but itt I fold.

The guy called an all-in on turn with AK no heart on Jh5h2h9c. He’s absolutely clueless and doesn’t understand hand strength.

I don't mind the flop bet, but would bet less ... after everyone calls just stop.


Turn seems the worst street by far.


On the river pretty easy assumption that V2 isn't bluffing correctly/significantly (in general call/call/shove-3-ways lines), so we have 32 combos of worse straights and 28 combos of full houses+.
A2/K2/23/24 all seem like hopium. Some might be good bluffs, but V just isn't bluffing this well.

I would heavily discount the 43 straight unless I thought V was happy to "trap" flop and then go for it, so 32 combos is more like 24 combos at best.

All of the FHes+ are fine/good played this way (maybe 66 value raises flop, maybe 77 raises pre), and both 43/84 should raise earlier.


Seems like calling off 3.5x pot going into the river doesn't seem that close, and in general I see people as way more likely to "overvalue" the worst FH than the worst straight ... and even then V would have to be doing that with a straight on a paired board.
Being late at night and everything maybe being insane because of that I could talk myself into a call, but it's still mostly street poker and we are counting on V to be going insane.

It’s not 3.5x pot it’s actually just a half pot raise so pot odds are incredibly attractive.

Pot at the start of the river was 470 ... villain wants to put 1405 in. I guess I dropped the 70, so it's only 3x.

Yes, as the action happened we bet 300 and there was a call and then V shoved for 1105 (~0.75x pot) more when V1 is already AI ... so at the end we get to call ~1.1k for a ~2.6k pot.

At the end we have to call 800 into about 2200, …or a $800 raise into a $1400 pot which is about 57% pot raise to be exact…we’re getting close to 3:1. We lose to max 21 boat combos (less if he raises some 66/22/two pair on flop), so the question is if we can find 7 non-boat combos.

Why lead there for THAT much if you won't call it off? It's not thin value. If the bad player isn't running well, how can he possibly have more chips than you do? Missing some details here.