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Originally Posted by illiterat
What everyone else said, but also...
How did the TAG being behind you alter your thoughts/actions?
What are you going to do if he does raise?
Like TAG can't just randomly raise a donk and a call on this flop, and it's not like TAG can even have 6h5h/Ah5h ... so he has 9h8h maybe Th9h/Th8h, and even 9h8h doesn't look that great.
Do you think he's going to raise KhJh or 88h/55h? Even those aren't many combos. ... he'd have to be going for it with 7x and 6x hands, which would be borderline insane and he shouldn't have that many of them anyway with a tight preflop range.
I would be concerned about raising because we (should) have a weird range here in EP on this flop, where the assumption is we don't have 85 or 53 or even all of the sets which means we'd have very few value raises. But if anything in a vacuum I'd want to raise more due to the people behind.
Would be much happier to call the donk with 77 or even 6d6s hoping people behind would raise (and they have much more worse hands that would want to).
My interpretation of what Banana said was that he thought about raising ("because I have a pair AND the nut flush draw!"), but decided against it, because the TAG behind would likely fold to a raise, but if hero flat calls, TAG might call behind, inducing others to likewise call, or TAG might raise, which would be fine with hero, who isn't folding ("because I have a pair AND the nut flush draw!").
Everyone loves having a pair and the NFD. Until their draw bricks and all they have is a stupid pair with the best kicker.
Giving Banana the benefit of the doubt - I could see TAG raising 76 or 44. Seems reasonable. Occasionally maybe TAG smells something fishy/weak when an EP limp-caller donks and the PFR just flats with players left to act, so he gets a wild hair up his a$$ and decided to blast off with 88-TT that needs protection, because it looks like hero has - wait for it - the NFD.
Maybe Banana intuits that a raise from TAG will get more credit than a raise from hero (because if his threads are a fair representation, OP is frequently out of line). So TAG raises, and action folds back around to hero, who can put in a cheeky call, and pray to the poker gods he spikes an A, 6 or heart on the turn (or river, because if we know one thing, it's that people hate folding a pair + the NFD).