1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

Table has been very loose passive with some tight people. One TAG on my immediate left.

V1 - old white man that bleeds down until he thinks he's ahead and then bets like his chips are diseased. Pot - 2x Pot. But overvalues hands. Bet AKo on a AQJ99 board for 3 streets against two people OOP and won at showdown. Up a lot. Covers.

V2 - asian man, loose passive pre, semi aggressive post. Bets all his draws and check calls weakly made hands. 420$. UTG1.

H has 775$ in MP.

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UTG limps, V2 limps, Hero to 20 with A 6 from MP, TAG calls LJ, LP black guy calls CO, V1 calls, V2 calls. 5 ways 3rd to act.

Flop 100 - 7 6 4

V1 x, V2 donks 20, H thinks but just calls with TAG behind who likes to raise, but TAG folds, black guy CO folds, V1 raises to 85, V2 calls... Hero is now closing the action IP 3 ways ...

Hero?

I think if you raise now your line is so transparently a flush draw that you have essentially no fold equity.

You have a great price, some hidden outs, and the possibility of a cooler here (one of these two could have a lower flush draw, so you get their stack on a heart). Just call and see a turn.

you are likely always against a set/2p here -

This hand is not strong enough to iso raise pre once limpers get involved so i'd just over call it instead of Iso raise $20 from MP - BTN or CO i'd consider raising but not from the LJ or HJ unless it's folded to me with no limpers, than i'm gonna open 3bb if that makes sense.

AP it's a call being last to act. If we were OOP i'd consider just going with it, but you don't wanna lose your positional advantage.

I'd overlimp most likely and now call the 85.

Can't fold. Can't shove. That leaves calling. Getting a fine price.

Yeah, what everyone else said. Incidentally A6s is probably the nut worst suited ace.

One reason you want to limp this is you want to keep the money deep. You are trying for flush over flush, in which case you can get a lot in even with a limped pot. Obviously, you can make some other big hands, although not a wheel. This hand shows why you don't want to build a big pot.

Just over limp pre.

As played, just call.

Also, yes, A6s is the a$$hole cousin of the suited aces family.

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What everyone else said, but also...

How did the TAG being behind you alter your thoughts/actions?
What are you going to do if he does raise?
Like TAG can't just randomly raise a donk and a call on this flop, and it's not like TAG can even have 6h5h/Ah5h ... so he has 9h8h maybe Th9h/Th8h, and even 9h8h doesn't look that great.
Do you think he's going to raise KhJh or 88h/55h? Even those aren't many combos. ... he'd have to be going for it with 7x and 6x hands, which would be borderline insane and he shouldn't have that many of them anyway with a tight preflop range.


I would be concerned about raising because we (should) have a weird range here in EP on this flop, where the assumption is we don't have 85 or 53 or even all of the sets which means we'd have very few value raises. But if anything in a vacuum I'd want to raise more due to the people behind.
Would be much happier to call the donk with 77 or even 6d6s hoping people behind would raise (and they have much more worse hands that would want to).

limping is better than trying to iso with this hand

as played obvious call. if you jammed, guess you like gambling.

It would be a toss between limping and folding but that's just me. Alil later we can limp or raise for sure. As played we have no FE due to his history of betting 2x so I call. The c/r is probably 58s or 35s.

My interpretation of what Banana said was that he thought about raising ("because I have a pair AND the nut flush draw!"), but decided against it, because the TAG behind would likely fold to a raise, but if hero flat calls, TAG might call behind, inducing others to likewise call, or TAG might raise, which would be fine with hero, who isn't folding ("because I have a pair AND the nut flush draw!").

Everyone loves having a pair and the NFD. Until their draw bricks and all they have is a stupid pair with the best kicker.

Giving Banana the benefit of the doubt - I could see TAG raising 76 or 44. Seems reasonable. Occasionally maybe TAG smells something fishy/weak when an EP limp-caller donks and the PFR just flats with players left to act, so he gets a wild hair up his a$$ and decided to blast off with 88-TT that needs protection, because it looks like hero has - wait for it - the NFD.

Maybe Banana intuits that a raise from TAG will get more credit than a raise from hero (because if his threads are a fair representation, OP is frequently out of line). So TAG raises, and action folds back around to hero, who can put in a cheeky call, and pray to the poker gods he spikes an A, 6 or heart on the turn (or river, because if we know one thing, it's that people hate folding a pair + the NFD).

Depending on how early in MP we are / raiseyness of table / payoffyness of table / etc. I might even fold preflop. Otherwise I'd just limp. Only point of raising at loose tables is to juice pot to play for larger stacks, so if no one is attacking with 3bets I wouldn't go more than $10. A large raise seems the worse option to me. IMO.

Think at this non-small SPR / this multiway / on a board that someone could have easily smashed, I'm fine with a passive make-a-hand line of flat/flat postflop. I would lean to getting more aggro at smaller SPRs / heads up / where opponent likely has one pear at best.

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I disagree.

While we could argue that Stupidbanana's preflop ISO raise could be bad. I don't think that it is always bad to ISO A6hh here.

The answer is: it depends. Stupidbanana didn't include enough info for us to know whether his preflop strategy is overly optimistic/spewy or just right for the situation.

Our "iso" raise to a rather large 7x went 5ways, so it didn't remotely isolate (which is a pretty expected result for most LLSNL tables, imo). If we fully expected to get this HU in position against one of the limpers an overwhelming percentage of the time and this result was completely WTF unexpected, then fair enough.

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Results:

Nice hand.

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I woulda raised turn to prevent river cards from killing action/hand; dude obviously will go with on the turn so lets do that while ahead.

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Somewhat surprising you'd take a more aggro line on the turn. Figured you'd prefer to give V enough rope to hang himself.

This is one of those spots where I go back and forth between wanting to get more value on the turn before a scary river and not wanting to scare V away by playing too face up.

As played, I think hero's hand looks like a draw on the flop, and it seems unlikely that V is blasting off with a worse draw. If we think V has a made hand, another flush card on the river will kill the action, and we're probably not getting away if the board pairs, but we might be more likely to get stacks in on a brick.

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