Hero: early 20s. Reg at casino. TAG image. Been card dead all night.

Villian 1: my best poker friend who is also a Reg at this casino once referred to him as "idiot old guy". Havnt played with him much but from what I've noticed, pretty stationy and will bluff in big pots.

Villain 2: new guy up from Cali. Played with him once before few months back. Thinking player. LAGish???

Villian 3: younger guy. Late 20s. A friend of mine. Super loose and aggressive. Hates to fold. Winning player but has massive swings.

Notes: game is very splashy. Big pot after big pot. Villian 1 can't miss. Making a lot of hands. Villain 2 and 3 are newish to the table. A lot of 3 bets pre and re raising flops. Game is currently 6 handed as 2 people are gone and empty seat. Hand happened at 2 am, some drinking going on.

OTTH

Stacks.

Hero: 1.1k
Villain 1: 3k
Villain 2: 1k
Villian 3: $600

Villian 1 UTG Straddles to 10

Hero Raises to 35 w/ 3s3c

Villain 1 Call in MP
Villian 2 Call in SB
Villain 3 completes straddle UTG


pot: 142 (after rake)

flop: 852dd

C/ I bet 100/ call/ call/ call (lol)

Villain 1 snap called, villain 2 called after a little thought, villain 3 tank called

Pot: 442

Turn: Qh.

Check.

So I think here I am the only player who can rep KK or AA as my range is uncapped. I know villain 2 and 3 are aggressive enough to make a move with a big hand on the flop and I think villain 1 with the timing of his call is on a draw. With that said I decide to bet 300.

again very quickly villain 1 calls.

Fold. Fold. (As expected).

Pot: 1042

So it's me and the "idiot old guy" to the river.

River: Qs

I check. Idiot old guy without much thought announces "425" and puts a stack of green chips into the pot.

Hero???

comments on the entire hand would be much appreciated (pre, flop, turn, River)

Opening 3's in EP sounds pretty miserable vs this table even 6handed, just fold it.

Turn cbet is pretty suicidal vs 3 players, esp. two who are stationey.

River x/c seems fine for good price.

Also you have a few errors in your OP, v3 is the straddler and the pot size is incorrect from turn onward.

Not the table to be opening 33. Limp or fold. I like fold honestly

Give up on flop, I don't even c-bet here.

Were you trying to impress your friends? If so, get up from the table now. You're playing bad.

Yeah missing 100 on flop. 100+442= 542 on turn. 1142 before River bet

Yeah villain 3 straddled you are right

Fold pre at a loose aggressive table. You end up having to fold your equity to 3-bets too often and even when you see a flop you will usually be OOP multiway. I would just check and give up on this flop/turn. Being able to rep AA/KK doesn't mean a whole lot 4-ways on a very wet board with lots of action. Trying to get 4 people to fold including stations is spewy.

I guess call river against this V, but I don't like that we got there with this hand.

At a splashy short handed game fold pre. With a lot of 3 betting going on you are likely to get priced out. Flop bet is OK on a flop that could have missed everyone. You don't have to be representing a big pair to get folds. When that gets 3 calls it's time to give up.

Turn is a mistake. V2 and V3 could have floated with air but there is a good chance one of them has a hand or hit the turn.

River is meh. His bet is small but you don't beat much. Even if he was drawing some of his bluff could beat you. Call or fold, either is OK.

This hand is huge spew. Villain is obviously bluffing river a ton so that decision is probably neutral but pre/flop/turn are very big leaks

I'd limp/set mine pre with 33.

On the flop, there are very few boards I'd c-bet with air multi-way in a splashy game, and most of those boards have a K on them. 852dd is not a great board to c-bet, it really doesn't hit our range at all and so we're not going to get folds from pocket pairs/8x against 3 villains.

Turn is definitely the spewiest street though. Once you get called in all 3 spots on the flop you need to shut down. Not even sure that you project AA or KK very well, as those hands may want to check a street after getting called 3-ways in a reasonably deep stack game.

River's whatever, you have a bluff catcher but the price is nice. Would suck if he's turning a better hand than yours into a bluff though.

do you want some constructive criticism this is the worst hand you've posted so far. A lot of leaks in this hand.

Opening a tiny PP in EP AFTER A STRADDLE to a 3.5x sweetener on this type of table is asking for a lot of trouble.

Cbetting with 4 players and very low equity on a board people will call is also throwing money away (sizing was too big anyway).

Betting the turn AFTER EVERYONE CALLED THE FLOP is also spewy and idk what the question is otr. Your hand is nothing. Every one of his bluffs beat you. If he has one card higher than a 3, you lose. What's the question on the river? If you do rep AA, he appears to have it beat. Are you thinking about jamming? You have like 200$ behind he's not folding.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but you need to know when to give up post flop, even when you're the aggressor in the hand.

Are you sure you know what uncapped means?

Pre is a fold. Flop is a c/f

He doesn't.

Board is 852QQ. I don't have 3 high.

No I don't mind the comments at all. I wouldn't post this if I thought I played the hand well or something. Obviously this is a massive gear change from my traditional strat. I felt like v2 and 3 were weak and seat 1 was on a draw. I played my hand accordingly.

I thought/think I have a good understanding but maybe I don't. Do tell??

Lol this isn't how I play 33 every time in this spot. Obviously just a deviation from my normal strat. I can see how from a far this seems like spew but given my image I believe I take this down on the turn at a really high frequency.

Nope no ego invovled. Just trying to pay rent

Re capped ranges, as the PFR here, unless people think you will raise pre with pocket pairs 8 or below, then the best hand you can have on this flop is AA, while all of your callers have all sets in their range because people love to flat raises pre with low- to mid-pocket pairs. So, generally on the flop people would say the callers range is uncapped and yours is much more likely to be capped. Of course, it turns out you are raising with low- to mid-pocket pairs pre too, but what's most important here is perception.

Note that once the Q hits the turn, your range should then become uncapped again because you can easily have QQ (raise pre, c-bet with an overpair on flop, bind top set on turn).

More generally, in LLSNL it's much more common for the person who calls a bet pre to have an uncapped range than the PFR. This is due to the fact that in LLSNL people will often raise pre with a fairly tight range, but call pre with a wide range, so there are a lot of low flops that could hit a caller's range but not a PFR's.

A good example of uncapped ranges taken from a hand I played a while ago and how they impact play is as follows. Say I'm playing a 1/2 game with $500 effective. Tight guy UTG raises to $10. His range is something like 99+/AQ+. I call on the button with 4s5s. Flop is 532, 1 spade. V leads $20 into me. He's capped at AA here. However, as a button caller I have all sets available to me, as well as 64s and A4s (and maybe even offsuit) in my range. So, I can have a nutted hand while he can't really. This is a great spot to semi-bluff raise, since he'll have a hard time handling a lot of heat with a one pair hand when he could be almost drawing dead to a set or straight, stacks are deep enough that I can put a ton of pressure on him if he has an overpair, and if I get called by an overpair it's not a disaster since I have a ton of equity with top pair, OESD, and BDFD.

Not really a huge fan of the whole hand other than calling river. Pre on this table is marginal, flop is meh with 3 Vs and this board, turn is suicidal IMO into 3 people.




I'm curious as to what you think uncapped means.

Wow okay. Thank you very much. I guess I misunderstood. My understanding was always like this example.

We raise MP w/ 88 and solid tags calls in BB.

Flop comes Q84r

We can assume we have the nuts here as villain would almost always 3 bet QQ?

This is similar right? Or am I way off base and thinking of something else?

This just an example of my understanding.


Thank you for the reply!!

ok I thought the board was double paired, I saw pot 442 and got confused. But it doesn't change anything really.

People tend to play more straight up in multi way pots. You can't say "seat 1 was on a draw, other seats were weak" you can include draws and weak hands in their range, but you shouldn't pinpoint them on one hand or a draw only.

That would be an example of possibly capping him non QQ hands.

Yeah of course not. I mean it was for sure an awful hand like that's why I post it. I'm not on here to post hands where I masterfully play some hand and get max value I am here to share the bad spots or tough spots. I mean I went with my read and played the hand as I did, never said I played it well or right. Also no one is really commenting on the river decision. I mean sure spewy hand but the river is a call right??

Yup river is a call, if you do this to yourself. It's awful to get here though.

Pre: This is my least favorite street. The table 3bets a lot, and getting 3b here sucks. If we're lucky, we get marginal odds to setmine, but more often we just fold and lose our $35. When we get flatted by multiple players and don't flop a set, we're never going to be able to barrel with much equity. I'd prefer folding pre, but calling is fine if some Vs at the table don't have fold buttons and we won't see a raise & 3b behind us tooooo often.

Flop: Cbetting into 3 players on this flop, at least two of whom are stationy, is probably not going to get folds often enough to be profitable. If we're just trying to get them to fold dead equity (overcards, basically), the bet doesn't need to be this large.

Turn: This is ostensibly an ok barreling card, since it kinda connects with our perceived range and makes hands like 8x relatively weaker, but I'd need more specific info & reads to be double barreling into three opponents with 33. Tbh, I think you're overconfident in your assessment of opponents' ranges, given the information you provided about each of them (esp. V2 who's new to the table and relatively unknown).

River: Sure, call. There are enough diamonds and whiffed straight draws in his range to make it +EV as played.

This is a different but also correct application of capped ranges. However, your example is much less useful in real life than my example. In your example, by capping his range all you can exclude is QQ. That's really only relevant when you hold exactly 88. If you had 44, his capped range wouldn't matter because he could have 88, and if you had AQ he could have 88, 44 plus possibly weird two pair combos. Moreover, in your example, even if he would sometimes flat a single raise with QQ, would it really change how you play? You have the second nuts, there are tons of hands that you can get value from, so just because it's still possible he has one of the 3 combos that beats you doesn't mean you're not happy to get it in on this flop.

Your hand is actually a good example of this phenomenon. If we assume all your Vs would always 3-bet with QQ, on the turn and river they're capped, because they can never have top set/quads. However, they can have a ton of great hands that are never folding (all sets, Qdxd, some weird hands like Q8 that become a boat, etc.). So, knowing that they can't have the absolute nuts doesn't really help you narrow their range or bluff them off the top of it. On the other hand, you're uncapped because you could have QQ. However, that's only one combo on the river and you have a ton of strong hands (AQ, KQ) medium strength hands in your range (like AA/KK), and bluffs (AK trying to barrel), so the fact that you're uncapped doesn't really change your range in Vs' eyes (if they're even trying to range you).

For that reason, when people talk about capped ranges, they usually (though not always) are referring to a situation where a PFR or 3-bettor is capped at overpairs on a low board. Of course, knowing someone has a capped range doesn't tell you how to play a hand. If someone is capped at an overpair, but never folding an overpair (a common occurrence for a nitty OMC in LLSNL, where they're never folding AA after the flop), knowledge that they're capped doesn't allow you to bluff them off a hand, because they'll still call. For capped ranges to matter when bluffing, you need the V to be able to fold the top of that capped range.