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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
This. It might not have mattered in this particular spot but if they're calling light you should open to as much as they will call, especially with premiums.
I think the core mistake you made was thinking he wouldn't jam with a set after you 4 bet to 400. A play like this makes you seem so strong that the opponent figured he could go for full value. Slowplaying is unnecessary if your opponent is making it clear he has a super strong hand.
Tough spot tho. This specific permutation shouldn't come up often.
Re - the pre-flop raise sizing... it was a strange dynamic at the table, with V2 and V3. Both seemed too eager to call my raises. I'd already increased my raise size from $15, and saw that $30+ raises from other players weren't getting any action. I'm not sure making it $25 is going to get many more folds than $20, if they're calling me light based on my image, which seemed to be what was happening.
It wasn't necessarily that I didn't think he'd jam a set, per se. I was putting sets and 2P into his range, but if I'm giving him every combo of set and 2P, I'm also giving him a lot of KXss, AXss, AKo, etc. There are plenty of gambly regs who will jam that flop with the NFD or TP + a flush draw, or an OESFD.
I have an aggro, borderline wild image, whereas V's bets/raises were mostly getting folds, making me wonder if he wasn't capable of over-playing some hands I was beating, or if he might not flat call flop and jam turn if he had a set, because of all the draws in my range that would call off a flop jam, but not a turn jam if I didn't make my hand.
I don't want to be results oriented, but had I c-bet, I know V2 and V3 would have called, and if V1 wasn't in the hand, or if he didn't check-raise, V3 would have turned a straight. Yeah, I could c-bet and fold to V1's check-raise, but that seems really nitty here, or I could c-bet and just call his check-raise, or check and flat call his x/r, but if I don't 3B the flop, and V2 and V3 over-call, I'm still losing on the turn, I'm just losing to a different V.
Let's just say I c-bet the flop, V2 and V3 call, V1 check-raises, I flat call, and V2 and V3 over-call. If V1 barrels the turn 3h, MAYBE I can fold. If V3 raises, especially if V1 calls, I can definitely fold. But if V1 checks, I'm in no man's land. I guess I can check-call a single bet, or check-fold if there's a bet and a raise, but if I'm playing my range, check-raising the flop seems like a better line than c-bet-folding.
Last edited by docvail; 03-19-2024 at 07:20 PM.