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04-22-2013 , 05:47 AM
I want to leave it raw. pick my brains by asking me what you'd like to know aka what frequencies do i want to exploit here.

$5/10 NL but might as well be $.5/1.00
UTG+1 $traddes le Pot
1 Limp Tighter 5/5 earner (1st sighting in 5/10 GL sirs. Had trouble when games were regged up and deep stacks were involved.)
MP (will spazz when upset and a legendary station Raises to 60 with 1800

Mood: Pretty happy had smashed one of the shortstack player 8 handed to make it 7 handed.
small pot c/r bet all in for 3/5 pot turn brick T7 Vs AQ (terrible stack off he was not tilted and was 5 way in 3x SRP) on ATTbrick"" board.

I flat ATdd 2400 SB
BB flats. Straddle was a wild card, raised a wide range pre and flatted a ton. Liked to use over bet bluffs to steal pots or pot sized bets, but seemed to have medium value hands when betting smaller amounts. Note these wre HU or 3 handed pots.
Straddle flats. Fishy AZN guy who earnestly wanted to gamble it up was the any ace or face to 1 time it type of player who had lost 3 shorter 60ishBB buy-ins.
UTG NIT flats.

Flop: 47T

Pot
I Check, BB Bets 110, UTG Calls 110
MP Raises (as the limper is putting in his call) to 600
UTG (1830) Calls 110.
MP (1200).
BB covers.
Hero (2340)?


I have plenty of thoughts.
I am NOT interested in a blanket answer but focusing on realistic questions we might ask about our opponents in order to potentially make better decision pre-flop (raising or folding), on the flop ("" or "") and on future streets . What do we want to ask, I hope this decision does not come quickly because that means maybe I'm hitting a wall in this one spot, seemed like a very ambiguous spot enough BBs deep to merit consideration.

Hero should _____ PreFLOP because __________________?
Hero should _____ on the FLOP because __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________???????

Last edited by DaBowskii; 04-22-2013 at 06:00 AM. Reason: wtf?
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04-22-2013 , 06:12 AM
Wow, I feel like I just did an 8ball.

Call pre man and flat the 600.
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04-22-2013 , 01:41 PM
My image was somewhat FOS given that I was hammering the open limpers with anything decent in LJ, HJ, CO, BTN and taking it down mostly preflop and often times on the flop.

I had been forced to showdown one time when I Bet KK IP on AAxxx flop (1/2pot), checked turn and bet river(1/2 pot) vs the BB. No one besides the sticky BB has given me any trouble preflop or as the cbettor.
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04-22-2013 , 01:54 PM
I'll respond here since you made the first ever poker hand history mad-libs. Skip the colors in the text though next time please, I can hardly read your HH

Hero should call PreFLOP because we're on the button with a hand that can flop a lot of nut draws and dominate a lot of fishy hands that might fold if we 3b. We make a ton of money here flatting and flopping a nut draw or top pair hand which we do a lot, way too often to 3b pre and risk getting blown off a super profitable situation.

Hero should do anything but fold on the FLOP because we flopped gin and are < 200 bigs effective with TPTK and NFD and we get it in vs a ton of hands that we just crush and occasionally get it in vs a set which is still not that bad. With all the money in the middle that most likely soon be dead and the fact that our equity vs a normal get in range here is so good I would cram here and be pretty happy about it. You could flat here too if you're one of those weirdos that does that. I never would tho. All in
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04-22-2013 , 03:18 PM
i would assume that MP has a hand like jj-qq. Never folding, but with your position i could see either AI or a call being debated. Best case scenario one of the others in the pot has a lower FD and is willing to put his stack in against yours if the flush hits on the turn- with the raisers range being jj-qq there could be a bunch of scare cards that hit on the turn too which you could push him off the hand with. However getting it AI might get you an easy scoop and/or a HU pot against a lower FD.
I just can't see the bettor having a set here- therefore i think either way you play this you will most likely end up very profitable.
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04-24-2013 , 12:43 AM
i can barely understand the hh

call pre

either call or shove, against JJ+ youre basically even equity
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04-24-2013 , 05:25 AM
Your hand description is confusing. Which villain is in which position? Why is UTG+1 straddling? Why is UTG calling 110 twice on the flop?

Obviously MP is putting all his money in by the river regardless of what happens. So the issue is how do you want to handle the other players?

I presume folding is not an option for you. TPTK + NFD is too strong to let go.

If you raise, you're probably going to lose the hands you dominate (weaker 10s, flush draws, straight draws) and only get called by better hands.

That only leaves calling. Hopefully those weaker hands will come along for the ride. And if someone 3-bets, oh well, at least you're getting good odds with 2+ opponents putting all their money in.
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04-24-2013 , 07:52 AM
I am the SMALL BLIND preflop. ATss is close to a raise/fold hand but since I think opener has a very tight range from MP (even though he calls with trash preflop sporadically) I elect to flat with the worst absolute position. Raise/folding would just be a really disappointing result.

On the flop I am not necessarily continuing. While the donk better is not representing a strong range the cold caller is because we know he is very nitty and is not bluff catching so he has either a flushdraw that he overlimped behind a straddle or a 2-pair+ hand.

If we continue I'd assume we would call in case the donk bettor or NIT have a draw we dominate and are able to play pretty perfectly in a really bloated pot with ~.6-1 PSR on the flop.
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04-24-2013 , 07:56 AM
Also I really considered leading the flop, what are the merits and downsides of donkbetting a hand with good equity?
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04-24-2013 , 09:58 AM
well you have good equity for 2 cards, not necessarilly street to street, and you probably have no fold equity vs the "legendary station" so I like a check/call or check/raise

OTF I ship because he might have KQdd thru QJdd and just stack off
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05-02-2013 , 04:23 AM
flat pre as jimmy said

b3b flop bc you can easily shove over any raise with a lot of equity, good for balance, you dont want it to get checked thru, c/r is meh
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