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V just sat down, just stacked someone with a flush

eff stacks 600

H mp
V bb

H kjos opens to 15
3 callers
btn all in for 25
bb calls
hero calls
3 other callers

flop (150)
j510s

checks to hero who bets 125
fold, fold
co all in for 150
bb calls
hero calls

turn (600)
7s
bb checks
Hero bets 250
bb raise all in

( With hindsight i feel i should check back for pot control here since a check raise on the turn is the exact line he would take with a set, but couldn't put him on jj as I think he reraises from blinds, 10 10 unlikely too as I feel he reraise from blinds with this hand too, leaving just 55. I also am minded to protect if he has a massive draw and picked up 9 more outs on the turn for an fd too.)

Hero?

Pretty easy open fold if a raise with a fairly junk hand is going to get this much action OOP. I'm not sure how to respond to the all-in. On the one hand, I'd love to get it HU vs the all-in with all this dead money in the pot. On the other hand, the BB coldcalled a 3bet plus we still have the 3 others left behind us, so a big 4bet to attempt to isolate might be pretty risky and not work at this table. If the table is passive and we don't expect a re-raise behind us, I might just sigh call now that we'll be getting incredible odds. The initial raise really put us in a crappy spot, imo.

I wasn't exactly looking to flop just TP2K in an eleventeen way pot OOP. Right now our poor play has only got us on the hook for $25, so I try not to compound the error by playing for stacks with a weak hand, so I would probably just check to see what happens (unless everyone only has like a PSB left in which I'd probably shove and live with results).

Pot control is out the window by the turn. The pot is $600 and we only have $425 left. The remaining villain is really playing with fire if he's slowplaying this turn in such a huge pot; heck, even checking the 98 straight that got there is risky on this board. I think most villains would just gladly donk the turn with a monster and get it in with a pot this big. At this point, we've worked ourselves into a corner and I would probably just jam it myself.

But I hate the whole hand and how we are playing a monster bloated multiway pot OOP for 2 BIs with a piece of crap hand both preflop and postflop.

GimhoG

Yea what he said is pretty much perfect

I think KJo is a little better than what others say here (it's a marginal hand IMO), but if I saw you make that raise in middle position or earlier, I'd suspect you were a lag player, not a tag one.

I'm okay with the flop bet. A lot of times nobody has a jack or better and we just take this down (the all-in player often won't have much), and we could get calls from worse jacks. I'd bet and pray that nobody has AJ or better.

On the turn I'm not getting away from this. The pot is so big compared to your stack at this point.

This whole hand shows why I'd fold KJo in this spot (an open raise in later position is much better). Your variance will be high when you start the hand off making plays like this. You'll bloat the pot and end up in a lot of tricky spots. You would be in a much better position the entire hand if you at least had AJo. However I would raise PF in this spot with KJs, but even that's a better hand too.

what's with folding KJo in MP, is it because we're new to the table?

Well I mean AP, I don't see how you can fold it now that you've gotten yourself here. It's $200 more to win $1200...(and you know what I don't want to be holding in a $1400 pot?...a pair of Jacks with a king kicker)

Not sure I agree that v would be 4 betting with TT or even really JJ here, actually, the only 2 hands I am discounting here are AA and KK. I do not see many players at this level 3 bet JJ or TT or even QQ, unless they are seasoned regs. As it is, v can call $25 knowing that the action is done and the pot will be $150 as no one left to act can reraise this pot since button did not complete a full raise. This little nuance actually probably widens bb's range a little bit IMO. However I am still expecting to see a lot of sets from bb here as well as 89 or JT and maybe even AJ from a rec player. The only hand you are actually beating at this point is a very poorly played QJ, or maaaaaaybeeeee some sort of combo draw like J9ss or J8ss, however I would be shocked to see that.

But like I said, I don't see how you can fold at this point. Call and pray for a K and hope it's enough