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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
I count *at most* 7 combos of hands that make sense for V to have that we are behind: AQhh, QThh, Q9hh, AThh, ATdd, T9hh, T9dd. (I assume we hear from all other straights on the turn.)
If you really think V folds to a jam with all but 6 or fewer combos of other hands, then you probably found a really good bluff spot.
I'm honestly unclear what point you're making here.
I said in post 4 that I'd bet the river small, for thin value, because I didn't think V gets to the river with a better hand than ours the way he did, and then checks to us again. I expanded on that in post 7, and then some more in post 20.
Someone else said this wouldn't be a thin value bet. You seem to agree that it isn't thin, or that my definition is wrong.
So, I started searching "what is a thin value bet in poker", and came up with a half a dozen different definitions. That in and of itself would seem enough to demonstrate there's not a consensus definition, rendering the debate a matter of differing opinions.
I honestly don't care if we call the bet "thin value" or "thick value" or some other kind of value. It's obviously a value bet. I think it's thin because we're pretty close to the bottom of our value range here, and we're targeting a super-narrow range of worse hands that we're hoping will call, while hoping V isn't slow-playing a monster (which we all agree seems unlikely).
I said we should bet small, so that those weaker hands can call. Otherwise, all we're getting called by is better hands, or V is just folding, and we get no value at all.
Targeting a narrow range of weaker 1P/2P hands when we have the 12th nuts (or whatever 88 would be here) seems like "thin" value to me, but if that's not your personal definition, and you want to say it's "thick" value, so be it. Call it thick value if you want.
Our decision to bet or not, and what size to take, doesn't need to be classified as "thin" or "thick", in order for us to simply bet (small) for value here. I care more about making the bet than what we actually call the bet.