hard spot on river? 1/2 NL - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Flop is good.

Turn is good although a pot control check here could work also.

River is a sigh fold. Even though V is capable of bluffing, he isn't doing so when you have so little left. You're only beating AJ and bluffs and losing to multiple two pairs and flushes.

I feel that we should all ban the word pot control. All it means is leaving money on the table in the long run.

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02-27-2014 , 05:33 AM

#27

Mickeypowell5

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 440

Why not use a pot control check ott?

Makes a river call easier on a speculative hand. There are many reasons to check for pot control, but I wouldn't do it this hand versus this type of V.

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02-27-2014 , 05:38 AM

#28

Barbra Streisand

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,741

Betting 55 here is really really bad. Talking about being unbalanced....

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02-27-2014 , 06:33 AM

#29

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

you want to get value, so i don't think i'm in the camp of shoving this turn. lets villains play pretty perfectly against us folding when they're behind and calling when we're crushed.

i think i just lead out on the river, though.

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02-27-2014 , 06:38 AM

#30

HappyLuckBox

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,491

The advice in this thread is tilting

Op besides making turn bet a little bigger you should be fist pump shoving river.

If you check only to fold getting this kind of price im going to find where you play.

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02-27-2014 , 11:14 AM

#31

19ki

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 173

happyluckbox if I play this hand on a standard line as you suggested, how often do you think I am best or for this price. I probably would have followed this line but the last few times I did in similar spots the river got there for the villain, I think it threw off my perception. Thoughts?

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02-27-2014 , 11:15 AM

#32

19ki

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Micky I think a pot control check on the turn would have lead to V2 shoving the turn, if he did would you call or fold?

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02-27-2014 , 08:21 PM

#33

Mickeypowell5

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Originally Posted by 19ki

Micky I think a pot control check on the turn would have lead to V2 shoving the turn, if he did would you call or fold?

Maniacs usually don't jam to bluff. They bet. Especially against someone who c-bet the flop and then checks turn. Makes it look like hero shifted and he can risk less to achieve the same goal.

And if V does shove, I'm snap calling and thanking the poker gods for not letting his draw get to the river since I made the correct ev play. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

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02-27-2014 , 08:46 PM

#34

Dominic

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Is anyone else wondering why hero is raising 10x preflop?

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02-27-2014 , 10:48 PM

#35

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Is anyone else wondering why hero is raising 10x preflop?

um ... because villains at $1/$2 suck and will call it?

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02-27-2014 , 10:56 PM

#36

fishm0nger

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Is anyone else wondering why hero is raising 10x preflop?

Seems pretty standard to me at 1/2. Why not raise 10BB's with a premium hand when you can get two (or more) callers?

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02-27-2014 , 11:05 PM

#37

fishm0nger

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Originally Posted by 19ki

My thought on being committed was that I only really beat air and that I would win less than 25% of the time here, however for those who said call I am open to further reasoning.

You only had to be right about 19% of the time ($155 to win $653).

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Originally Posted by oh-nahhh

I would bomb the turn harder than that, I'm going like 135 here and then river is easy

I like this best, making turn $135-160 and shoving any river. This really has the same effect as a turn shove by committing the villain to any river shove without looking as "scary" as an overshove on the turn.

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Originally Posted by Fish Taco

If you are going to commit on the turn I would just shove when you still have some F/E.

Not sure F/E even comes into it here. What better hands do you think fold to a turn shove?

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02-28-2014 , 01:03 AM

#38

oh-nahhh

Donking it

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,040

wtf @ ppl saying ship turn? that's +ev obv and has the old tempting not-having-to-think-so-the-hand-is-easy equity, but its clearly worse than betting turn bigger and committing ourselves and then sticking the rest in on any riv. This way maximizes our value in the long run vs hands we beat, shipping turn every time here instead of a normal bet is leaving money on the table in the long run for sure.

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Originally Posted by KenThBA

I feel that we should all ban the word pot control. All it means is leaving money on the table in the long run.

POTY

edit: just reread this thread from start to finish and I'm not sure whether I should want to laugh or cry right now

Last edited by oh-nahhh; 02-28-2014 at 01:08 AM.

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02-28-2014 , 11:19 AM

#39

19ki

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 173

I think the standard line is correct here
raising turn bigger and shoving river
I made this a harder spot by checking the river when I should have shoved.
I lost five or so hands in prior sessions to this one taking the standard line, shoving the river when committed only to see villains call after hitting there 2- 5 outs on the river. this variance made me try to make an unnecessary hero fold with this hand.

Thanks everyone I see this clearly now