call or fold imo...sounds like this is the type of guy whos going to click the call button with 98% of his range in this spot and not really 4bet much

Yeah I made a mistake in this hand. I should've 3bet, and the pot would still have been > 1k if he called. The reason why I flatted was obviously beyond just taking a lower variance line. I had no idea how wide he would defend, like JTo, Q7ss, but I knew that his opening range was at basically 99%.

As played I actually bet/folded and felt fine, there was some hollywooding.

Like others I'd 3bet pre. I think against a maniac you are just asking to get raised on the turn with a bet. I'm with Rosa, just check calling the turn then evaluating the river.

I agree with many of your ideas on this. Basically, people against 3betting are afraid because they don't know what to do when cbetting is not profitable when they miss. I think people are hardwired that not cbetting in the spots where we completely miss is weak. Got to look at all our options.

- Villain will put money in the pot with worse hands. Immediately huge +EV
- Villain will stack off with 90% of his postflop range. Even if we C/F when we completely miss 100% of the time, we can still profitably get stacks in with such a larger value range against villain in general that we're still profiting. As long as the SPR allows stacks to go in relatively frequently we're making even more money by betting.

Theres an argument for flatting if villain folds to 3bets frequently but will flat opens with ATC. However, when the pot goes multiway with the BTN flatting definitely a 3bet if simply to balance our squeezing ranges (not that balance seems to be something you really need to think about lolz)

Flatting pre and then leading into the maniac just blows my mind. 3bet pre so he can call you with a super wide range, as played check the flop so he can continue to bet his wide range, as played I check/call 2 streets usually

I was wondering how long it was going to take before someone commented on this. It is indeed mind blowing that people are so uncomfortable without the betting lead or afraid to "lose value" if there is a chance they have the best hand. We are playing against a perceived maniac. Let him do his thing.

Just out of curiosity if you guys are 2k eff does this thread exist? Guy seems super aggro/spewy we can just cc it down and be very profitable.