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03-04-2012 , 01:15 PM
1/2 NL. 2 limpers early position. Comes around to hero who is on the button ($220-230ish stack). Hero raises it up to $10 with AsKs. SB(stack size over $200 closer to $250) reraises to $25. BB and 2 limpers fold. Hero calls leaving his stack at $200 with a pot that has over $50 in it.

I have no information/ real read on the SB at all. First time playing with him.

Flop is Kc Qs 2. SB goes all in. Is this an easy call? Easy fold?

Your answer with a good explanation of why its that answer would be much appreciated. I'm trying to better my game and could use all the help and analysis I can get from experienced players.
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03-04-2012 , 01:35 PM
Flop is Kc Qs 2 of what? (Assuming its not a spade) Consider making your initial raise a littler larger pre-flop (like $20-25 or something). I would put him on the top of his range having never played with him (obviously very conservative):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.142% 75.14% 02.00% 116793 3108.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 22.858% 20.86% 02.00% 32420 3108.50 { 22+, AQs+, K8s+, QTs+, JTs, AQo+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo }

Without any reads and the donkishness of the overbet, based on what you have and the top of his range, its a clear call.
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03-04-2012 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Troy_Percival
Flop is Kc Qs 2 of what? (Assuming its not a spade) Consider making your initial raise a littler larger pre-flop (like $20-25 or something). I would put him on the top of his range having never played with him (obviously very conservative):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.142% 75.14% 02.00% 116793 3108.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 22.858% 20.86% 02.00% 32420 3108.50 { 22+, AQs+, K8s+, QTs+, JTs, AQo+, K8o+, QTo+, JTo }

Without any reads and the donkishness of the overbet, based on what you have and the top of his range, its a clear call.
why do you think K8 and QT is the "top of his range"?
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03-04-2012 , 01:46 PM
I called him after a little thought and he had AA and his hand held up. I heard some grumblings from 2 players across the table implying it was an easy fold on my part. Just wanted to get some others point of view...whether it was an easy fold, easy call, or tough decision.

By the way..the 2 was a red suit I just cant remember which suit.(not that it matters.)
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03-04-2012 , 01:53 PM
tHIS ISIA GREAT HANDFOR YOU TO REALLY PONDER AND THINKABOUTYOURSELF. (SORRY I HAD CAPS ON)

First calling with AK was poor. This is a 4 bet or fold. (or shove) More than likely I might exploit these horrible tiny 3 bettors by min4betting back (clicking it back) to say $40 and then folding if he bombs over top that. He wont expect you to fold, so you shouldl fold.

Its rare that this is a good play since tiny 3 betting is such a fishy move. But i might do it here vs him though. Also, when this flop comes out, what do you thnink hehas????? It seems obvious he has AA or QQQ and hopes you have a K and call,. You are never ever ahead here----but sometimes will split for whatever that it worth,
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03-04-2012 , 06:21 PM
I save myself the hassle and get it in pf.
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03-04-2012 , 06:45 PM
I'm also inclined to 4-bet preflop just because our hand hasn't really been defined yet and it looks like villain is squeezing our button isolation raise. We have blockers suggesting AA/KK is less likely than usual and repoppoing it to 55 will take it down a lot of the time.

With 2 limpers, raise it to at least 15 preflop. Now if villain 3-bets, he's going to make it at least 40. Now we have a better idea of where we stand and we know its clearly a jam or fold preflop.

As played, when he shoves 200 into a pot of 50 on the flop, its not a great spot to be in. I son't see JJ/AQs doing this often. That said, if we called preflop we must have had a plan for K high flops.
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03-04-2012 , 06:59 PM
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You would need a read on him that suggests that he is capable of shoving JJ/KJ/AQ here. If he is capable of doing that then this leans more towards a call than a fold. Without reads, I like to lean towards Villain is shoving for value (or to protect his hand, or because he doesn't know what else to do with a big hand). That means he's most likely going to show up here with AA/KK/QQ/AK/KQ. You're behind all but one hand and chopping with the other.

I think you should be leaning towards a fold unless you really think he's capable of bluffing here or value-shoving worse. However, I'd probably end up tank-calling because I'm a fish and don't think things through when I play.
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03-05-2012 , 12:35 AM
This is 1/2. Guys betting 200 into a 50 dollar pot have monster hands like 900% of the time.

Most V have a 3 bet pre range of AA-QQ and maybe AK or JJ. You are way behind the vast majority of their range.

AA and QQ are here against you 90% of the time. FOLD.
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03-05-2012 , 11:43 AM
This is a fold on the flop.

Overbet shoving is a scared hand by a villain that doesn't know how to play for value. He thinks shoving gets the betting over with and wants to get paid.

I don't 4bet this. I don't mind the raise size given we had a couple limpers and a deepish stack. If we want to play this hand for TPTK, we need to raise bigger and flush out the multiway pot while lowering our SPR. As played, we are playing AKs for it's multiway power here and looking for a bigger flop. When we flop big, we are still looking to get stacks in and have sufficiently lowered our SPR to get in on wet boards. But, we DO need to know why we raised to the amount we chose preflop. If we were planning to get in with TPTK, we didn't raise enough.

We hear it all the time, villains' ranges in 3bet pots are uber tight. We don't have FE vs an unknown's 3betting range. And, AQ isn't 3betting. You are very likely playing QQ+/AK. You are a 60/40 dog vs this 'standard' range....with no FE.
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