NL2/5 9-handed.

UTG1 ($1280)
UTG2 ($500)
HJ ($620)
CO ($775)
SB ($200)

Preflop: UTG1 raises to $20 (no card displayed). UTG2 calls with 9h8h. HJ calls with QhJs. CO calls with Ac5c. SB calls with 7s5s.

Flop ($105): AsKhJh

UTG1 cbets $80. UTG2...

Bart commented UTG2 should fold. Not only that, he also said that UTG2 should have folded the hand preflop in EP.

I kind of understand that UTG1's bet size is quite large (about 81% of pot), plus two players behind. I'm just wondering in the case, how do you gauge the immediate odds and implied odds in general?

The immediate odds cannot be simplified as 2 x 9 = 18% because it's not drawing to nuts. This is particularly a concern when 5-way here.

Also, how to estimate the implied odds here?

How small does UTG1 bet size have to be so that UTG2 can profitably call on flop here?

yes its a losing call both streets

sry misread first time. with 3 behind you, ep opening range, and you drawing to the 4th nut flush i think you could call 10$ maybe. 5 ways your implied odds are probably low and you have a better chance of reverse implied odds, you aren't closing the action, and sb has spr of 2 so he may just jam and go with stuff.

With robot sizings (2.25x open) UTG2 folds 90% of 88, 80%+ of 99 and over 50% of TT.
Of course they are mostly 3.3x 3betting everything but QQ and AQs.

For robot sizings, all of the hands after UTG1 are folds HU (to be fair A5s is a 2% call or something). Maybe A5s also gains a bit more value with the other two calls.


Robots are super tight preflop, as well as crazy bluffy.


In an actual live game with random live 2-5 players, it would depend a lot on how much I thought 3bet's would happen and esp. if I thought SB is going to shove anything close to correctly.


On flop the big problems are Ah isn't on the board, Tx is bad for you and even if only you call it makes SPR fine to shove random turns with AQ so you only have one street.