Game is $5/$5 with a $300-$500 buy in.

I start the hand UTG with a stack of $560. I open raise to $25 with 5d 8d. I had been really tight in
early position up to this point. The villain who is a girl I had never seen before and had no info
on flatted my raise in middle position (her stack size was $490 or so and she had just bought in for
the max), the button also called. 3 way action. Flop came out 5 5 Q rainbow. Pot $80. I chose to c bet
and lead into the pot for $55, the girl called instantly and the button folded. Heads up. Turn came out
9h putting backdoor flush possibilities but I thought it was a great card for my hand. I thought of checking
it to see if she would bet thinking i missed but I elected to lead out into the pot. Pot was $190. I bet
$110 into $190 and she raised me to $250. It was $140 for me to call, If I call the $140 I have $230 left.
This is where I felt confused, I put her on KK, A 5 suited, maybe Q Q and maybe 5 6 suited, maybe also
99. I elected to just shove in the $370, she snap called me with pocket 9s and I got crushed. Given the
situation, do you think I should ever fold. Another player in the game who is pretty good told me that
he wouldve folded and he thought she had qq or A 5 and that I had AA or KK. Is my hand good here more
times than not?

umm, fold this garbage preflop.

It all comes down to whether or not she will call with 56s or 45s or 57s, or AQ, or Q9s, since you are pretty much readless, and are only behind like A5s qq/99, it is a call.

In reality, you need to just open fold this crappy hand preflop.

For future posts, can you try and use paragraphs and space it up a bit, that is really hard to read.

+1

+2

Will take your advice on spacing it up next time, and folding pre. Thanks.

when you flop trips its hard not to go with this, but you have to realize that you are repping a VERY strong hand by opening UTG (AA, KK, QQ) and bombing 2 streets. When she raises that means that your hand is no longer good... unless you have history with her and pinned her as a spew monkey you have to fold. Her turn raise was small however, which makes it very hard to let it go but i think a fold is the right play.

If your gonna play junk. You got to be able to get away from it as well. Turn is horrendous you can't call that. Especially when the villain just sat down. What happens if you have J10 and flop comes JJK then turn A. Then you bet get raised. Are you going to call. With medium strength hands, you want to see cheap showdowns. Not call raises and river shoves with trip 5s with a crappy kicker.

when our hand is super disguised, we have to call, villain can definitely be shoving worse.

Not on turn raises, everytime I thought I was good on the turn, I was wrong, I always seem to suck out because I play good cards. But in this spot, villain could easily have A5,QQ or 99. Fish call with those hands. Stacking off here with 85o is pure spew.

Like I said, if we had some kind of read that this girl was or wasn't terrible, we could fold. As played she can definitely have 45s 56s 57s, Q9/AQ, so we are pretty much forced to call. This is why you don't open 85 soooted UTG.

If you are opening 85dd utg and folding when you flop trips and the entire table thinks you have AA, you are lighting money on fire.

First off, someone has to make me think they're good. All those hands you assign are laggy type hands. Fish don't call raises with junk like that. Especially a girl, my read on woman they play straight forward, unless they're Asian they play ant 2 suited. With a board like this, you can't call turn raises with crap like this. Fish which is 95% of our opponents. Will show up here with the beginner hands, QQ,A5 and 99. Don't make it hard on yourself. Fish always telegraph they're hands. Its so easy to see.

lol, I thought I learned my lesson from arguing with the troll/gimmick.

I will bite again. Giving someone credit for a turned boat is just awful MUBs, really awful.

We don't have any reads on the villain, so I am not going to just stereotype a complete random person because of their sex (there are women who can play poker). And fish call raises with exactly hands like 56s 45s 57s, q9. I am not going to fold trips where I beat most of the other trip hands because someone could have
A) flopped a boat with their slowplayed QQ pre
B) turned a boat with their awful flop float.
A5s is legitimate, but our hand is just too strong to fold readless, sorry you have MUBS.

Assuming someone is a fish makes this even more of a call, because they definitely can be overplaying AQ or Q9 or any other random 5 they could have.

i couldnt get past the bold, but forced myself to.

yea, fold turn and take a walk for open raising utg with trash. the only way i would take that back is if you tell me you dominate this game, have players you play everyday, can play creatively postflop so your cards dont matter and your image is awesome where they will fold hands to you very very often. otherwise, take that walk iwas talkin about.

Umm, what? Yes they do thats why they're fish, they call with everything.

LAGfish call with those hands. If you think fish are calling with 7 high or raggy suited connectors. You need to be raising any two cards above 9. Loose passive fish call with medium pps and suited Broadways and raggy aces. You need to re assign ranges my friend. Your ranges are flawed.

impressive first post...

Folding decently strong hands vs ~minraises on turns by routine what i call "tourist" type players is one of the easiest ways to play superior poker in low to medium blind live games.

If hero just flat out closes his eyes and folds in all of these spots (barring times when we have other info.), it is huge +EV.

I know, many aint believing it. Do yourself a favor. keep a pad, and note the number of times you call that minraise and we ahead vs the times you were behind (if you had a decently strong hand but still very long ways from the nuts).

After about a couple months you will see what i mean. its all about ranges, and minraising is the only way to escalate the betting all the while trying to keep your opponent in the pot. Thus, super strength is usually present for that to be the goal.

Everything you said +1

I was at the table and saw the action go down. I definitely did not put the Hero on 85 suited with his UTG raise.

When hero C bet the Q55 flop and the villian smooth calls im putting her on a KQ type hand.

When the Hero Fires the turn and gets raised by the villian alarms go off like crazy. She is never ever raising with a AQ, KQ type hand or back door draw. It is really hard to put her on a 99 in that spot cause she smooth called the flop. This hand seems to me to usually always be a A5 suited or maybe QQ or Q5 suited with the smooth call on flop. Q5is a stretch though and probably not in her range.

Stacks are not to deep so the desicion is a bit tougher IMO. I think against this Villian you have to find a fold becuase she is not capable of Raising any hand less the A5. She would call hero down with anything less than that. 56,57,45 she is calling very rarely raising.

There are many players I would have to pay off in that spot with those stack sizes. This Villian is not one of them.

I don't want to move too much into the BBV thread so I'm locking it since the thread is derailing.

OP, If you feel this needs to be immortalized, I'll move it to the BBV thread. Just PM me.