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guess my hand. 220bb deep @2/5 and I bet all of it guess my hand. 220bb deep @2/5 and I bet all of it

02-11-2013 , 04:40 PM
What do you guys think?
What does villain usually need to look me up?
Should I have raised ott?

I've got 1100 ish and villain has like 2500
I'm in the game for two buy ins. One I 3b kqhh vs a diff villain cbet fdraw and jammed turn on 1025hh j and got looked up by kk
Second got stacked on 452 with 45 vs 555
Anyway. Villain is a younger Asian who's kinda loose, pretty aggro post. But doesn't seem like a great hand reader and has made some non standard (but not bad) plays with c/raises in different spots. Pretty aggro though over all. Also has made some close folds in spots in the past. Although I'm losing don't think my image is Tilty/bad/bluffy

Anyway. Three limpers to me otb w xx.
Blinds come along and flop is

10 d 7 h 6 d
Villain bets 15 one caller I make it 55
Turn- As - villain thinks a bit and makes it 115...I call pretty quick
Riv- 6h -villain bets 215- I think for a sec and jam for 900ish
Wug?
What does my range look like?
What does v need to call me? What's worst hand you would call with?
Sizing thoughts?
Thanks!
02-11-2013 , 04:45 PM
I assume u limped pre?

What your range looks like and what villain needs to call with depends on a whole number of things.

Sizing looks fine. Your jam is near pot size so villain is getting 2 to 1 on his call.

Last edited by makeit10; 02-11-2013 at 04:50 PM.
02-11-2013 , 04:47 PM
think you show up with 66s, 77s, 67 here for a boat.

it be really interesting if you turned a weak flush into a bluff otr, but thats an advanced play that I doubt is ever happening at these stakes.

worst hand i'd call with is probably 77s full. i like the sizing since many opponents are unwilling to fold flopped flushes no matter the runout of cards or the action even if it suggests their beat.

edit: thought the board was monotone on the flop. take back what i said
02-11-2013 , 04:50 PM
Villain has AT, A7, A6, TT, 77, 66

You have a busted FD maybe?

I assume you thought this was a good bluff spot and got called. I don't really think this is a good bluff spot.
02-11-2013 , 04:50 PM
your range should be 100% full houses because shoving anythin else here is suicide considering he obv has set/straight heavy hand and isnt likely to fold. also you shouldnt limp pre and you should state the pot size on flop which i assume is 30 with a 6 way limp

im guessing that in reality you have a straight trying to fold a chop and lose to a fh
02-11-2013 , 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fogodchao
think you show up with 66s, 77s, 67 here for a boat.

it be really interesting if you turned a weak flush into a bluff otr, but thats an advanced play that I doubt is ever happening at these stakes.

worst hand i'd call with is probably 77s full. i like the sizing since many opponents are unwilling to fold flopped flushes no matter the runout of cards or the action even if it suggests their beat.
I can't see flatting twice on that board with a set or 2p.
02-11-2013 , 04:52 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about the straight. He could have it, but I don't think you could.
02-11-2013 , 04:55 PM
7x diamonds. you are trying to rep full houses that somehow put villain on straights only, but if you are getting in 45 on 452 np then you aren't slowing down vs his turn donk very often. 76 is only legit hand you should have here that makes much sense. villain should basically call with everything.

Last edited by Jibber; 02-11-2013 at 05:25 PM.
02-11-2013 , 05:01 PM
I think you have 76. Flopped 2-pair. Rivered a full-house.

If I was villain I don't think you would jam the river with worse then AT
02-11-2013 , 05:08 PM
you rep. mostly busted sd/fd, had the 6 not been part of the flush draw otf you could rep this more believably, Possible, I think villain might think that you would raise 2pair, sets, straights ott after his donk based on stack-stack sizes, so its harder for him to put you on a set here. He probably thinks you have one hand that is ahead and thats bottom 2 pair that river-boated, but your line doesnt add up to that if he thinks your standard line would be to raise ott. I think he can call with a fairly wider range than usual, because your line looks bluffy otr. This would be a great time to level the guy with quads if you just flatted ott on a wet board with 66. He could look you up with 89, all sets turned fh, and even A10 type hands. However, in reality this is a tougher spot to call without a FH for villain, because its a limped, free-for-all pre and you could show up otr with so many hands, so I'm on the fence about how light he can call it off with based on the pf action and his ability to make some tighter folds based on your description in OP. Good Post, OP.
02-11-2013 , 05:15 PM
Well your hand looks like a bluff. J8dd, Q8dd, other random combo draws that bricked. The only value hand it really is credible for you to have is 67 since I'd expect all sets and 89 to raise the turn/its impossible for you to get to the river with a bare 6.

So I'm guessing that's what you have since it seems like a pretty bad spot to bluff
02-11-2013 , 05:31 PM
It looks like you have a combo draw with 7d or bottom two rivered FH. Villain probably calls with A7+.
02-11-2013 , 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dom80e
Villain probably calls with A7+.
A7 is stretched pretty thin. I think the V has to have at least AT+ to even consider calling even though it looks like you are bluffing....
02-11-2013 , 05:38 PM
Looks like a busted FD to me, probably with the Ace, and maybe Ad7d. Can't tell on the bet sizing as your not displaying your pot sizes. I would do your figuring for you, but what happened to the other limper who called before your flop raise? Did he fold or call? I think he calls you here and shows you a boat.
02-11-2013 , 05:42 PM
A7 and AT is roughly the same hand. Honestly, A2 is prob the same hand as A7 since I highly doubt OP is value shoving river with A7 (and if he is, he is a fantastic player and def has reads on villain that he will call OP light)
02-11-2013 , 06:02 PM
Ok Villain first: If he is one of the blinds his range is wider: 106, 76, 107, 89, 66, 77, A7s

but he is only calling ur reraise on flop so more likely his hand is two pair or 89 less likely a set.

preflop (not in the blinds) If he is not in the blinds then more likely A7s, 77, 66 or 89 if he is really loose preflop I can see 107 as well

I doubt he has A10, he is probably raising but still in his range but less likely and I discount 1010 from any position.

If Hero has no fh then this river raise is pretty bad. first u have to hope that he has no fh because he will obviously call with all of them. Even a straight will probably find a call because like u played it looks like a busted big draw or 76. So either nada or a really big hand but there are only 6 possible combos for 76 but many more for busted draws.

But because it is such a big reraise on the river I would have a hard time calling with less than a straight maybe with trips if I somehow played this hand with just a 6 till the river. Because then the chance that u got a fh would be really small.

Last edited by Pompeius12; 02-11-2013 at 06:11 PM.
02-11-2013 , 06:17 PM
A6 sometimes, 77/66 maybe a few times, busted flush draw if youre capable of that but id need a read that you were before hand to put you on that if im the villain

i have a hard time giving you 77/66 because after you raise flop, he leads turn and isnt at all afraid of that ace so you gotta think he has TT/98/77/66/FD/combo draw and isnt going away so you're raising 77/66 on the turn a lot. but you're probably just flatting A6 if you dont feel like folding 2pair against an aggro villain. youre also flatting all your flush draws in this spot too.

on the riv he leads again so now you have to think hes super strong most of the time unless hes bluffing a missed draw himself. so his range is pretty polarized to nuts/air a lot. hes going to be folding out your missed FDs and possibly 2pair a lot with a big river bet. i still give him a pretty strong range though. youre shove is pretty much nuts or bluff here. hes folding all his bluffs and only calling with the nuts so i doubt youre jamming 98.

so thats how i get to my conclusion: A6/busted draws mostly and 66/77 sometimes

if im villain, im probably calling off with all my boats obv and maybe even as thin as 98/two pair if i think youre really aggro and capable of bluffing this riv a lot
02-11-2013 , 06:21 PM
V has at least A7dd or AT+ and if I am villian, im calling with all of these hands.
The fact that you quickly called on the turn makes your river shoving range weaker. I will call thinking that only hand you could beat him is 76. you have way too many draws, fd with 7d (or 8d5d type hands). maybe A7dd can find a fold because V has 7d.
02-11-2013 , 06:26 PM
It'd be a lot more interesting and a better discussion if you had raised pf
02-11-2013 , 06:32 PM
Hand looks exactly like A10. A set should raise the A donk. So you rep a really thin range here.
02-11-2013 , 06:34 PM
I think villain has a straight here pretty often. I don't understand why he didn't reraise on the flop though. I guess villain may play a set like this as well, lead out on the turn to price you out and not let you take free card, then fill up and bet for value.

Also I'd assume that you would've raised your button with a hand like TT, 77, AA. So it's kind of hard for you to have a boat here unless you have 76.

You're hand looks like a bluff. Think of the reasons why you raised the flop, how come those same reasons aren't applicable on the turn?

While I say this line looks like a bluff, I'm still not calling with 2 pair or trips. This is probably a leak in my game but even if I sense villain is doing this lighter than most, I don't open up my range a lot. I'll look you up with a straight or better.
02-11-2013 , 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5CardDrew
I can't see flatting twice on that board with a set or 2p.
Crap - I misread the OP. I could see the hero have 76 here but that's the only non-bluff I'd put him on.
02-11-2013 , 06:38 PM
I'd call here with any full house and maybe 89. Ur repping a full house here but it also looks like u often have a busted draw or turned a pair into a bluff
02-11-2013 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slimshady1999
I'd call here with any full house and maybe 89. Ur repping a full house here but it also looks like u often have a busted draw or turned a pair into a bluff
Yeah, hero could have a pair of aces with his busted draw and be bluffing here. But if that's the case, why do you need a straight and not just A7 or better?
02-11-2013 , 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Hand looks exactly like A10. A set should raise the A donk. So you rep a really thin range here.
preflop after three limpers from the button and no raise? Dont see A10 in Heroes range a lot.
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