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Gross spot: checked Pair+FD OOP facing bet/call/raise Gross spot: checked Pair+FD OOP facing bet/call/raise

08-28-2015 , 10:25 PM
New table, one of the first hands

4-5 limps, Hero checks option in BB with Q6

Flop ($15): 8 7 6
Hero checks, MP+2 fish limper bets $8, next fish in CO calls, BTN makes it $25, folds to Hero ??

We're $300 effective with BTN (mid 30s guy in cap, looks semi-decent but first timer at casino) and $150-$200 with others in the hand.

My initial plan was to check/raise this flop to get lots of money in the middle, but BTN's raise made it complicated. If I flat now, my hand is very face up OOP. My draw is probably not even as good as it looks, but it was very hard at the time to figure out what to do.

Another option would be to lead out on the flop but since nobody was going to fold on this type of a flop to a single bet, I felt a check/raise was sexier.

I actually 3b to $90 (as a semi-bluff?) with an intention to call it off figuring it would anyway look super strong and I wouldn't be too upset taking it down right away. And even when BTN goes OTT, I would have a decent chance to win the hand. If BTN called, I was shoving all non-pairing turns except 5/9/T. I hadn't played a hand until now so my line would look very strong. Some poeple would say to 3b/fold here but I'm just not putting $90 in to fold out a pair+fd.

WWYD?
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08-29-2015 , 01:27 AM
Ugh, hate this spot. No replies to this yet, so I'll give it a shot.

I prefer to lead this flop. I don't like the raise to $90. Though, to be fair, I don't like any of our options now.

The flop looks great, but 6-way, our hand loses a lot of it's luster. We could already be up against a straight, and we're only drawing to the 3rd best flush. I think I would like the raise more if the flop wasn't as coordinated, say, something like K62.

Once you 3b, you can very easily face a 4b AI here, and then we puke. The only good thing is our raise may fold out better draws. But we're talking about the possibility of GII in a limped pot with bottom pair and 3rd best FD. Yuck.

I prefer a flop lead next time, and I fold to the $25 raise. But I'm a nit.
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08-29-2015 , 02:05 AM
Call me a Nit but I don't think our hand is good enough to be check raising for value and I don't think we have much in the way of fold equity on this board. I don't mind checking since it keeps us from getting raised. But I probably just bet out here for $10 or $15 depending on the norms in your room.

Against competent players I would snap fold on the flop when it gets back to us. If the fish are bad enough to stack off on a turned heart that makes them a straight with one card...well, it's probably worth calling. The 3rd nuts is pretty good!

Edit: Sorry TTB, I stole your line
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08-29-2015 , 04:08 AM
With no reads on opponents, I just fold. Too much action and no idea what the correct response is. With some idea what ranges villains could be I might fold, call or raise this flop. As is, pure guess work and probably only limited FE after the flop raise on a scary board so I'm getting out cheap.

I don't mind checking or leading this flop, but I'm only going for a check/raise if the action seems weak. I'm more likely to go for a check/call and see what develops because hero's 6 is not likely to be good if there is any interest in this pot.
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08-29-2015 , 06:00 AM
Well it's a limped pot, you're the BB in for exactly one BB in this hand, Youre OOP. You can always just fold and lose nothing.
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08-29-2015 , 11:35 AM
Have to call 25 dollars into a 56 dollar pot with two players still to act after you. Both villians obviously have a piece of this flop and maybe a better draw than the queen flush draw I'm folding.
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08-29-2015 , 12:06 PM
I like your line. This hand needs to be played heads up. You should look to fold if it stays multiway.
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08-29-2015 , 04:05 PM
More often than not I feel I lead for ~$12 and proceed from there but will check raise from time to time...


as played I like the check raise and the sizing, i do think if we are shipped on from the BTN and everyone else folds we can find a fold if V range is just sets and straights. The wider villain ships the more we can profitably GII.

Basically by check raising here you are looking to scoop the pot now with the dead money and if by chance we get called we are in decent shape to improve assuming sets and straights ship it on the flop most times.

SPACE
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08-29-2015 , 04:25 PM
If you want to lead this flop, you should have an idea in your head of what your plan is if you get three callers and the turn is a blank.
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08-29-2015 , 05:14 PM
As played, fold based on number of players, action shown, and being oop.

Not a big fan of leading the flop, but that's definitely better than a check raise at this point.
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