Been at a 1/2 game for about 4 orbits now - and player to my right is stuck. HE doesn't seem terrible but he isn't running very good.

I'm around $300 - he has $250 - other guy who is just a station has $300

Only hand I have with him is I open 8c7c UTG+3 to $10. 2 callers.

Flop is J73

I bet $20 - he calls
Turn is 8

I bet $30 - he calls.

River is 5
I bet small like $40 to get a crying call
He calls
MHIG
Says he has JK


I get AhQh - a few limps and I make it $16
I get 2 callers - I have position
Pot is like $50

Q95
Check
Check
I bet $40
Call
And the player raises to $120 - he has $110 behind.

I just don't see what hand he could have here that i'm behind but last time he had top pair decent kicker he just called. So could he really have 99 or 55 here or Q9?

Arrrr in

Simple question: Are you prepared to GII unimproved?

Limp/call, c/r by V, as described... I don't like it, I fold. Maybe if I had a good flush draw 2P or better could I continue.

Add to this how he played TP K kicker, he definitely has TPTK beat. Feels like a set, or depending on how bad he is a spiteful Q9s.

If you do play it, must shove. Essentially a 1/2PSB to call, and a player to come. I prefer GII now if I'm going to commit.

You had established history of betting without TP, so presumably V could think you're betting with weakish hands.

Plus if he has a hand > AQ, why would he want you to fold or slow down on a dry board?

FWIW, shoving now might induce a crying fold. I would GII on turn.

I just gii now. He might think you have 9T, etc., and can bet you off it. Plus, if he has Q9, you have outs. If he has a set, so be it. He could have a hand like JT.

Of course, do we still have another player to worry about or do you sense he's folding?

What's the benefit of GII on flop?

He's not folding most hands he's raising with (KQ, QT, JT), and I like to gii when I think I'm ahead. If we just call and jam turn, he's never calling with worse then. If he'll continue on any turn, fine, but he'll probably just shut down unless he hits a better hand.

For once I agree with javanewt. I dont think this player is folding and we are ahead of his range so GII

PF: Fine.

F(50): SPR is ~5.5 and ~4.5. V in question has $234. Well against stations, I would just plan on getting it in here. We've got TPTK and a backdoor flush draw; plenty good. I'd just bet $50 here. AP, you bet $40 which is fine as well.

So V re-raises to $120. This guy appears to be a station, so alarm bells should be going off when he check-raises. What could he possible be doing this with expect 99, 55, Q9, Q5, or 95? Does he check-raise with a hand like KQ? I think a station would just call KQ or JT.

Obviously we just can't call and fold on subsequent streets, so essentially this bet is all in for $234.

It really comes down to read, and based on your last hand, and your description of this guy as a station, I'd fold. Stations, well, they station, they don't check-raise without a hand that beats TPTK.

We are? What check-raising range are you assigning to this Villain?

This guy appears to be loose-passive, i.e. a station, from OP's description of the previous hand. I just don't think that a station check-raises KQ, QJ, or QT here. And he infidelity is not check-raising JT here.

If we think he would c/r a Q, then call, if not then fold. I mean that's essentially it. Am I reading this correctly?

is anyone worried about the other guy behind us cold calling or is he just non existent in this spot?

I asked you that question What did you think at the table?

If I thought the other V would flat if I flatted, that's even more reason to gii. Don't want to go to the turn against two of them.

the other guy is the station right?

I'm not really worried about a station flatting the 40 at all. We have him crushed.

but the main villain c/r's into two players and he is committing the rest of his stack (based on his raise amt).

I'm not too happy about going with it tbh. I think he would be more likely to flat with another player in front of him with Qx.

this is 1/2 so he can even show up with AA

If we're going to go with the hand, I'd just call the flop, cuz as pointed out above, there's still one player left to act. why let him off the hook if there's a chance he has a worse Q or T9 hoping to spike 2p?

As for whether to go with it or not, I'm sure I'd make the wrong choice.

Because post flop is hard

So he is never folding flop, but can find a fold on turn?

I'll answer my own question.

1. There is a small chance that V could fold, and it isn't a bad outcome for merely holding TPTK.

2. V could be making a move and isn't putting in another dime unless improved. So if we let him see the turn for free, we are giving up at least some equity.

The only argument I can think of to flat here is to entice the 3rd player to get involved, but again, that would probably be less than optimal relative to V2 giving up his equity to shove on flop because we just have TPTK.

Dont see the benefit of seeing a turn that ptentially scares V if we are raising all in for value.

This is a hard spot. Against a V that is a calling station (from your description) and rather passive I think this a fold. This board is so dry and the only hand that you are ahead is JT.

It's a puke fold given reads.

I GII vs most, but not a passive player. Definitely not a stuck passive player

I did end up folding - he said he had a Q - I don't believe him, based on the way he played his other hand.

I really think I made a good fold but I will never know.

I rarely find that i'm good in these kinds of spots at 1/2 vs these types of players. He said he had KQ but who the hell limp calls KQ - such a passive line - and than check raises like this?

Sounds like you already made up your mind and just looking for someone to reaffirm your train of thoughts.

If he was lying, he wouldn't lie about having KQ. With what reason would you lie about having slightly worse hand?

Players who would do that either think that a call pot-commits them so they might as well raise or who make a soul-read and decide you're on a draw or you have AK unimproved or a pocket pair smaller than top pair.

If you are wondering why he didn't just shove if he felt pot-committed, well, I admit it looks like a bet that expects to be called, which should make you wary.

i never told him my hand - and i do this all the time to people just so they don't think i'm an ultra nit.

I'll flop a set and say I had top pair decent kicker when they fold

But he didn't fold, he won the hand.

If you were to lie about a winner, why lie about a hand of middling range.

i dunno - i do sometimes. I'll say I had QK on a KJ5 board but in reality i had a set of JJ

I give up...

It's obvious you just want people to tell you that you made the right decision.