$5/5

8 players - Blinds $5/5

Setup
UTG+1 - Hero with QTcc (Effective stack $1300-1400)

Preflop (Pot size: 0)
SB posts small blind $5
BB posts big blind $5
UTG calls $5
Hero bets $30
MP calls $30
HJ folds
CO folds
BTN folds
SB calls $25
BB calls $25
UTG calls $25

Flop (Pot size: 150) [T♥︎9♥︎3♦︎]
SB checks
BB checks
UTG checks
Hero bets $75
MP folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG calls $75

Turn (Pot size: 300) [A♠︎]
UTG checks
Hero bets $175
UTG raises $375
Hero ? I think Villain has something like $825-925 behind.


I think my flop and turn play is straight forward. Some history with villain. In about the hour or so he has played he has limped most hands and raised some. I saw him 3 bet with 45s and smallish EP open. He is an asian guy in his 30s. In one hand he opened BTN and I 3 bet him with T9cc and he called. The flop brings me a flush draw. I c-bet and he calls. Turn is an A. I bet little less than half pot and he min raises me. With the flush draw, I call. River was a T and I check and he bets a decent size. I fold and he shows me ATo. So I think his min-raise is a see where I am at bet. Another hand, he opened to when a bad player limped. I raise him and he 4 bets me. I fold and he shows AA.

And this hand happened, few hands later. When he limp calls I am not sure how many two pairs does he have. I feel like he would open ATs. Maybe he limp calls with T9s, A9s and of course he could have 33. Maybe Villain is making a play given that I have folded to him so far. Given that I have the nut advantage here, is shove a good play?

And you are basing that conclusion on a sample size of 1. I think we can comfortably fold to the turn raise.

And you are basing that conclusion on a sample size of 1. I think we can comfortably fold to the turn raise.

Looks like a pretty ez fold as played.

Against a tough lineup, I'd fold this hand pre. I'd also go smaller ($60ish) on the flop, and would mix in a X at some frequency.

No, it's not a good spot to bluff. Also, turning your hand into a bluff is not the same as bluffing.

Bet flop smaller, check turn, fold to turn raise.

What do you mean?

Why did you bet the turn? Vs main hands that you were ahead of on the flop, Axhh, just picked up top pair.
After facing the raise, it’s such an easy fold. You’re not getting the opponent to fold Axhh or AT, which are his most likely hands.

you think AT is part of a limp calling range?

I bet the turn because if he is on a draw I make him pay and I can also easily check back river. And I much prefer a b/f line on the turn and set my own price. Granted I could have gone smaller on the turn.

A bluff is a bet made with a hand that has no showdown value. It's not even called a bluff when you're on a draw, it's called a semi-bluff. When you flop top pair and you bet at any point, you are not bluffing. I wouldn't even be able to argue that firing again on the turn is bluffing. But if the question being asked is, "Is shoving the turn a good spot to turn my hand into a bluff" then the answer is still a hard no. LLSNL players rarely make small raises of large bets without nutted hands - incredibly rarely, really.

You are behind >95% of the time and a shove is getting called probably >80% of the time. Does that sound like a good spot to get all your money in the middle?

A common mistake that I see a lot of players make is assuming that everyone else has the same ranges we do, and plays strong hands and draws the same way we do. That seems to be what you're doing here. For a lot of bad LLSNL players, A-T is a fine hand to limp-call with because "it's not strong enough to raise but it's too good to fold" or whatever logic fish use.

If you "much prefer a b/f line" then why the thread?

Yes, a big part of a limp calling range is AT/AJ/KQ/etc.

Why would you go smaller on turn? You would give him direct odds to draw with all his flush draws?

If you want to bet just realize that we’re betting into AT/A9/A3/Axhh/possibly slowplayed sets and T9, which are never folding and sometimes raising. Meanwhile we’re getting folds from trashy draws like 87, QJo, while smaller heart draws are continuing because you didn’t bet large enough to price them out. So the net result is that we’re behind like 30% of the time and get raised off our hand, 30% of the time we fold out low equity draws (that we block holding the Q), and the remaining time it’s a wash: V continues with Axhh/other flush draws … we lose to Axhh and we are a ahead of the other flush draws… overall a wash.

Still not seeing the rationale for betting turn.

^Good points, thanks!

Thanks. I prefer it but I am now reevaluating some of my lines and wondering if I am missing out on spots to bluff