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04-18-2021 , 07:20 PM
Absolute strength of our hand doesn't matter at all when we don't beat value. IMO it's insane to think villain has Kx or Qx ever with this line. I don't like having a non-spade A, J or T in our hand since I think AJ, AT and JT are likely bluff candidates for villain but I have no idea what OP's range is on the river. I'd never get to river this way. You're allowed/supposed to fold a lot vs. an overbet sizing, though. It seems fine to me to fold this hand and call when we have a spade or a kicker that isn't A/J/T.
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04-18-2021 , 07:52 PM
Some good points all around. I'm going to have to let all this stew and at a minimum have better sizing preflop.

I can't quite articulate my thoughts on the meta game I have with winning regs, but I agree I should fill in more bluffs and 3 barrels. I'll take some more notes on my next session and go from there. Thanks for the replies.

Marsh
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04-18-2021 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BHDonkey
I’m never three betting AK from the SB into the toughest player at the game who will have position throughout. Unless stacks are short and I can make an easy decision on the flop.
I don't agree with this at all. I don't 100% 3-bet A-K, but I will 3-bet in this spot. You want the betting lead here. Give V a chance to fold preflop. Just calling in this spot is begging for V to c-bet you off your hand when you miss.
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04-18-2021 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MarshMan114
Playing a deep, good, 2/5 table. Some splashy recs and everyone is super deep. The $10 straddle was happening most hands, but for some reason not this one.
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pre- I would go bigger because you said he was opening too wide and going to call too wide so get some value with a tighter linear range...in theory a smaller 3-bet this deep isn't bad since you can't get the SPR low enough with anything reasonable as a 3-bet...

flop: you can pretty much bet range small on this board...checking is def low-frequency...on turn your bet is fine IMO, he should have alot of smaller PP sometimes you run into trap QQ...also when you check he is supposed to stab pretty agro- especially with things block/wrapping around the Q...

Turn: fine IMO

river: I think you can block for value (you changed it so the flush got there), but if you check I think you have a low-frequency call here especially (it's prob mid-frequency call with no spade but live Vs underbluff these big overbets IMO)...you block his value KQ and are paying him if he has a weird value hand...floated 55 so he could bluff non-broadways etc (spewy but live poker)...the flush getting there and the huge bet, don't think its bigly +EV either way unless opponent is a LAGtard then just flick it in

post Grunch- do what DooDoo said if the guy is this wide pre- his is going to be too empty on a lot of runouts...

Last edited by kimoser22; 04-18-2021 at 08:12 PM. Reason: just saw you changed the board
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04-20-2021 , 03:00 AM
I would have definitely C-bet the flop. There’s not much beating you here and your goal is to build a pot. There aren’t a whole lot of scare cards on turn & river either. He could be holding KQ but you have blockers. I would bet all three streets here -
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04-20-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fightingillini
I don't agree with this at all. I don't 100% 3-bet A-K, but I will 3-bet in this spot. You want the betting lead here. Give V a chance to fold preflop. Just calling in this spot is begging for V to c-bet you off your hand when you miss.
Hero gets a favorable flop, and still gets bet off on the river after dropping an additional 30BB...it's really hard to play one pair (which is what AK will usually make) against a tough opponent who wants to put you to the test.

I don't think you win at poker by playing bloated pots OOP against the best players...even in position, playing better players is tough.
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04-20-2021 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BHDonkey
Hero gets a favorable flop, and still gets bet off on the river after dropping an additional 30BB...it's really hard to play one pair (which is what AK will usually make) against a tough opponent who wants to put you to the test.



I don't think you win at poker by playing bloated pots OOP against the best players...even in position, playing better players is tough.

This is because OP let it happen.

If it’s not profitable to 3 bet, why is it profitable to call?


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04-20-2021 , 05:47 PM
Your choice really is what are the odds that

You have him beat and he's stealing because you showed weakness
vs.
He has a really good hand

Would he massively overbet if he had a set with a flush on the board? How would he have 2P here? I don't see what hand he would have. He could have suited connectors for a flush. You block KQ.
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