1/2 NL 9handed live.

I open to $10 utg+3 with KdJd

Player directly to my left calls
Folds to utg limper he calls.

Player to my left leads with draws and has got caught betting big on river once already by other villain.

Utg limper is young asian seeming to play a good lag style

My image is young asian tagish and had to bet fold a few times in past 20min.

Were all deep (350+)

Flop: pot$33. 6d2d6s
Villain 2 : checks
Hero: checks
Villain 1: bets $15
Villain 2: calls
Hero: calls

Turn: pot $78 Jc

Villain 2 checks
Hero: checks
Villain 1: bets $40
Villain 2: calls
Hero : calls

River pot $198 Ah
Villain 2 leads out for $60 !?

What do you guys do?... villain 1 is behind and has showed he will bet flop with draws and made hands.. villain 2 seems like the type of player to run a bluff like this...

let's see...V2 went check, check, river bet? What range do you have him on here?

Yea I didn't believe V2 really at all it was V1 I was worried about and he was left to act behind me

Would V1 bet two streets with a bare ace? Would he call pre with a 6 in hand?

If not I wouldn't worry about him much unless you have him read for a nut peddler, in which case calling the turn bet is probably bad because he's saying your J is no good.

I am c-betting this flop 800% of the time. You flopped a very good draw and actually have a decent amount of fold equity here. I might even 3b over a flop raise depending on sizing and reads (especially if it was from the guy who you think is bluffy and has position on you).

As played I'm folding river. I question your read that UTG is playing a good lag style given that he open limped preflop and has played this hand strangely no matter what his cards are, and while he definitely has a missed flush draw here sometimes, but it's odd for him to bluff so small into 2 other players when clearly at least one of them has a made hand; he'll also show up with a slowplayed 6xs/22/Axdd sometimes as well with this line. And you still have the guy that bet flop/turn behind you left to act, who definitely has some of those same value hands in his range here.

Not cbetting this flop is criminal.

I would almost pot it on flop and go about 2/3 pot on turn. As played I would fold. This is almost never a bluff in a 3way pot.

The utg limp caller young asian kid who was the bluffy one is oop vs me and V1.
Just making that clear bc I think that might have been confused.

Yes me not c betting the flop was criminal and I def should have atleast led the turn I think.

But V1 had showed down a limp call with 63 suited earlier when he flopped a straight and played it strong from flop so I knew he could have a suited connector combo that banged that flop...

V2 I think would have re raised or led out at some point with an ace high flush draw or 6. so I wasn't even worried about his 1/3ish bet oop into me and V1 on river even though its crazy for him to bluff this spot I knew he would be capable. I was only worried of V1 having those hands so that's why I folded. I really don't know why I didn't bet the flop, I guess its bc I felt like one of them were gonna rep the 6 and I didn't want to have to 4 bet with my draw, and I didn't like a bet/call on flop.

Anyways, I folded after trying to fake fold to see if villain 1 was folding and he didn't budge so I folded..
Villain 1 folds.. villain 2 shows 44 !?. So frustrating.

You do realize you are getting better than a 4 to 1 on a call here. There are many mistakes made throughout the hand but folding here when V2s lines looks fos sums up the hand.

I'd say if you aren't comfortable cbetting on this flop vs these opponents then I'd avoid opening marginal hands from ep

If you are afraid of cbetting here, when would you ever c bet a miss?

At first, your hand isn't even ace high, so there is absolutely no point of checking here. As played, I would always fold river, either one of those 2 villains (Or both) beat you by the river.

Yes I realized I was getting 4-1 and it seemed like a great spot to call V2 it was just that V1s range seemed so much like an Ahigh fd that would never fold river or the 6...
I'm not afraid to cbet flops I just chose to play this one tricky vs these opponents in this situation and ended up messing up my hand by doing so.

I'd probably just open limp here at most tables but I'm fine with a raise as it's almost a juicer playing deep.

With two overs and the 2nd nut flush draw we should have decent equity in this pot, so I cbet about 1/2 PSB. I'm cool with taking it down, I'm cool with building a pot. As played, I think I also just call. Does anyone check/raise at this point, or is that too aggro with two villains along for the ride? I usually play fairly passive here and would just call.

I also just check/call the turn. At this point with two villains still in the hand, I don't think we want to bet and then face a huge raise which might blow us off our draw (especially when we could even be drawing almost dead). Plus we don't really fear any draw ourselves (if someone is on the nut draw, oh well). If the turn checks thru we can go for one more street of value on the river as our hand looks fairly FOS.

I fold to the river bet. It's a small bet into two villains and so it is expecting to get called. Do we beat anything that is expecting to get called? Kinda looks like the A high flush draw backed into TP. Plus we still have the other villain yet to act behind us.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This is pretty scummy angling, imo. Don't do stuff like this.

I call pre. (Also lol @ utg+3) Not raising here, but this depends on table.
Flop I bet, turn I bet, river I check(if we get there)

As played I just snap fold river. If other vil wasn't in I'd still probably fold.
Just not seeing anything we can beat two villains here

excellent board texture

For the love of god BET FLOP. Raise pf is fine I think, I'd like to hear from those saying they prefer to limp here (give me your reasoning and when you think it's ok to raise here vs limp).

River is snap fold. Villain is betting into 2 players after just calling down the whole way. Looks a lot like he hit his ace or has been slowplaying the 6. This is not a good spot for him to bluff.

At most tables, a lot of hands that dominate us (AK/KQ/AJ/etc) won't 3bet (allowing us to safely fold), so a lot of times a raise from this early will simply narrow the field to hands that are doing pretty good against us. Plus we'll most likely be OOP. Plus KJs plays fairly decent multiway (nut straights, 2nd nut flushes, has high card strength) so we don't hate it if we go eleventeen ways in a limped pot with high SPR (where obviously we're not playing for top pair). I prefer an open limp with weak suited broadway hands at a loose passive table full of players who play poorly postflop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

+1
I think our game is pretty close to being identical.

Thanks for the well thought-out response. I will be thinking about this more the next time I'm at a table and look down at a similar hand OOP.

Ok so what I'm getting out of this is I should have never checked the flop. Ok, I usually do but my fault was to don't usually but always in this situation...
And if I limped instead which I do do often with this type of hand 9handed how do you guys like to play this flop when you choose to limp pf....what's your optimal line and what do you do if someone 3 bets you on any street?

If you are checking this flop your game is likely way too weak tight post flop. You probably need a major rethink that goes well beyond this hand.

It's not really 9handed with 3 folds to you though. GG/Pony, idk if you guys have played any 6max, but do you/would you have an open limping range UTG (equivalent to hero's position in this hand)? I think that's pretty bad tbh.

Agree, but they are never considering that they may be exploited. Which is a pretty fair assumption for the most part.

What does tbh mean and how does someone exploit early position limps anyways...

Say your limping with any pocket pair, suited connectors small-big, and AJ-AKo..
Sometimes limp calling, limp raising.. and sometimes open raising with those hands too?