1/2 Mohegan 8 handed

Hero: down a BI from shipping pf with AK and running into KK and running pretty bad for the whole day. Loose image but just showed down KK to double up (~240)

V: older white guy in his 50's total calling station seen him call down 3 streets with bottom pair (~200)

Preflop

V UTG+2 opens to $7

One caller in MP

Hero in BB calls with K4

Definitely a questionable call, but i felt if i flopped big i could stack V1 because he is incapable of folding

Flop (22) AK7

Hero leads for 10

V raises to 45

Hero Jams

I put V on AK or a strong A but what is the best line to take for this hand? Given V station-like tendencies I didn't feel like he was going to fold but is a c/c line better to deal with variance in the long run?

Jamming is bad if you don't think he does this with a flush draw and if he is never folding. We are at best a coin flip vs AQ and in rough shape vs AK, AA, and KK. The real value of getting it in with a flush draw is if our villain has fold equity. Without fold equity we are putting our money in bad here.

I would have preferred a check/raise which would make it harder for him to continue with Ax, but if he isn't ever folding Ax to a check raise then check call is best.

Pre is questionable but not terrible. If you put villain on AK or a strong A then shoving is terrible unless you have fold equity (which is very little since villain doesn't like to fold).

Against AK your a 2:1 dog and against AQ - AT your split. Just call the raise and see a turn card.

b/c if he's bluffy

c/c if he's more passive

if you really put him on a super strong range like AQ or AK or possibly AA or KK then just calling his flop raise is much better if he can't get away from it anwway when hearts come in.

If he has weaker hands in range or will fold Ax or Kx then jamming is fine to take advantage of fold equity and to neutralize our positional disadvantage. Against Ax we're not in terrible shape if he calls and the pot odds would warrant getting it in, but barely, so a case can be made for just folding, too.

So all that being said, each option has merit based on villain's perceived range and which portions of that range he's willing to call off with

C/c based on player description. Don't think there's many hands, if any, that he raises with pre and folds on the flop. Jam is bad because he's never raise/folding.

Pre is probably a fold because of the other caller and OOP but it's not super bad like it usually is.

Spew.... He's a calling station. He's calling with all aces (which have you beat) and all kings (which have you outkicked) so the shove is bad imo.

He's not likely folding after a raise.

I like have some fold equity in a situation like this, but you aren't going get a fold very often.

You have two draws to the nut flush. A little under 50% equity. Long as you aren't too deep, you can justify shoving a flush draw OTF with a little incentive. You either need some dead money to play for, or some fold equity. You really don't have either here.

Get Flopzilla and play around with it. I'm not sure what kind of board you were looking for, I guess this was it. So at least two hearts, one of which is the king. Odds are about one in five bajillion. Don't play K4s oop against a calling station.

Ditto to most ... but I would like to add that if you are never going to get another chip out of him when (if) your flush hits then jamming is a 'little' better and it puts the pressure on him to call 'from ahead' and live with the results.

If you are putting him on Ax and calling station then this is -EV for sure. When calling stations raise .. WATCH OUT .. you gambled with bad math, hope it worked out for you. GL

PS .. Donk/block betting weak (50% pot) into OMC or CS is also bad IMO. You wouldve done better here to c/r with a better hope of taking it down. He is never folding to your shove with these stack sizes after he raises. Now if that was what you were trying to induce, then good job, just not the best EV play.

Your intentions preflop (getting in a pot with someone who never folds) is good, but the hand that you did it with is bad. You just saw suited cards and ignored the fact that you really just have K4 in the big blind.

That being said, as played, I agree with what AbqDave said. Shoving when you already put him on an ace does not in itself makes the shove bad. We are not shoving because we are currently winning right now, but we are a favorite in hitting our number of outs a certain % of the time taking the amount of money in the pot and any FE into consideration.

If he has a set, or two pairs right now, then that leaves us in a very bad shape. However, I don't mind getting it in against a hand like AJ/AQ (with the J/Q not being a heart) as we are then super close to a coin flip and since there is money in the pot already, it is +ev.

grunch: spew

based solely on your read that villain can't lay down hands. playing crap hands to trap guys works much much better in position. your shove is good if you think you have decent fold equity. but i think you're setting up a calling station to play perfectly if he has an A... he's going to get all his money in as a favorite without working for it.

Read this ^^^^^


Anyway, if shoving the flop is a mistake, its hardly spewy just a slight error

That's true, against a decent thinking player I think there's much more FE but worst case scenario the guy did have AK which I expected.

The turn and river brought no love and the man received a double up on a silver platter.

I think since his hand was essentially face up on the flop a c/c line may have been better in hindsight because I was only drawing to the flush

wtf does grunch mean ?

thanks