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06-30-2016 , 01:53 AM
I know this is a unique situation but I found it to be an interesting spot. Would be interested in thoughts on getting max value.

1/3 MS game

V is a 2/5 pro, probably the best overall player in the room who is playing 1/3 because no 2/5 games are running. Very thinking player, crushes the game.

Hero is known to V as a lower stakes reg, likely considers H competent but am not sure how much he respects H.

Stacks are $3300 effective.

V straddles for $6 from HJ, hero calls in CO with 22. Fish on button calls, two other fish call from MP. V raises it to $30. All limpers call.

Flop: KhQh4s ($154)

Everyone checks around. I don't think V ever checks a K, AA, J10 or a flush draw here. When he checks I think he has gutters, ace high hands, and underpairs.

Turn: KhQh4s Qd

Checks around again. V is never checking a Q here, so similar range as flop but no Qs.

River: KhQh4s Qd 2h

Checks to V who bets $50. I don't think this is ever a bluff, I think he is going for thin value here with some sort of small pair type hand. I don't think he ever has a flush, trips, or a boat.

So the question is how we size our raise. We should also not have any piece of this flop given our flop and turn checks. He should know this. Is there a sizing that gets hero called here.
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06-30-2016 , 02:04 AM
If he considers you strictly ABC, he is not calling any raise with his capped range. I probably make it $125 if I really want a crying call, but I think he's folding. If you think the smallest bluff raise he puts you on is bigger, make it more.
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06-30-2016 , 02:20 AM
$200 and hope he levels himself into a call.
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06-30-2016 , 08:01 AM
It would depend on villain but you have two options really. $125/$150 to try and get a crying call. $250 to make it look like your representing a flush and hope he puts you on a bluff. I wouldn't expect either to work that often.
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06-30-2016 , 11:25 AM
1100 bb stacks in a 1/3 NL game!?!? JFC, I'd have to wear diapers in this game.

Any chance he trickily plays monsters such as KK/QQ this way on the flop turn hoping someone will take a shot at things on this very drawy board that most likely hit someone and then go for a check/raise?

Anyways, I think hand is well played by Hero to the river. I'd *probably* just raise to a "normalish" 3x and hope to get paid off. However, this stoopid deep it's sorta an interesting spot cuz (a) he's probably good enough not to call with a worse hand (cuz, really, what worse hands can he possibly play this way and yet still pay off a bet?) but (b) he could put us in a super sicko spot by reraising ******ed big (where we'd actually have to consider folding).

ETA: I dunno, maybe I'm really out-to-lunch here, but if we really don't think he's ever going to call with worse, is it actually worth reopening up the betting this deep? Is this guy capable of shoving $3000+ into a $300 pot? Cuz if so, puke, imo.

GIsucksatthedeepstack,somuchsothatI'mactuallyconsi deringjustcallingwithafullhouseG
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06-30-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
1100 bb stacks in a 1/3 NL game!?!? JFC, I'd have to wear diapers in this game.

Any chance he trickily plays monsters such as KK/QQ this way on the flop turn hoping someone will take a shot at things on this very drawy board that most likely hit someone and then go for a check/raise?

Anyways, I think hand is well played by Hero to the river. I'd *probably* just raise to a "normalish" 3x and hope to get paid off. However, this stoopid deep it's sorta an interesting spot cuz (a) he's probably good enough not to call with a worse hand (cuz, really, what worse hands can he possibly play this way and yet still pay off a bet?) but (b) he could put us in a super sicko spot by reraising ******ed big (where we'd actually have to consider folding).

ETA: I dunno, maybe I'm really out-to-lunch here, but if we really don't think he's ever going to call with worse, is it actually worth reopening up the betting this deep? Is this guy capable of shoving $3000+ into a $300 pot? Cuz if so, puke, imo.

GIsucksatthedeepstack,somuchsothatI'mactuallyconsi deringjustcallingwithafullhouseG
We can raise/fold here just fine - I make it $125 and hope he gets curious. probably tough to get called here though.
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06-30-2016 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
We can raise/fold here just fine
Ya, definitely no danger in getting ourselves committed, so lots of room to bet/fold.

I'm just wondering if this guy is sick enough to put us to a sick test and try to get us to fold our flush (which is what it looks like we might have).

Folding the best hand in decent pots when there is not going to be much upside to raising is meh, imo. For me, this boils down to (a) how often this guy really calls a raise with a worse hand and (b) how often he can make a sick move here.

Gwillprobablygetflamed,andprobablyrightlysoG
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06-30-2016 , 02:37 PM
$330 effective?

If 1000BBs deep against best player in the room that is better than Hero, I vote Hero leaves table.
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06-30-2016 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
$330 effective?

If 1000BBs deep against best player in the room that is better than Hero, I vote Hero leaves table.
I have position and I don't plan to play many hands against him. The table is pretty weak overall.
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06-30-2016 , 03:44 PM
I don't think he is likely to put in a huge bluff raise. I expect to almost never get raised here and when I do it will probably be a strangely played quads or something.

I do think that betting too small will get an automatic fold. I can't imagine him calling a min raise here because it looks so value heavy. I guess I'm wondering if it makes any sense to look like a spaz and raise something crazy like $350.
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06-30-2016 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
I don't think he is likely to put in a huge bluff raise. I expect to almost never get raised here and when I do it will probably be a strangely played quads or something.

I do think that betting too small will get an automatic fold. I can't imagine him calling a min raise here because it looks so value heavy. I guess I'm wondering if it makes any sense to look like a spaz and raise something crazy like $350.
With no bets going in before the riv and both ranges essentially capped, it's much less of a leveling spot (reason to overbet) than you're making it out to be. No matter what he thinks of you, there aren't any bluffs, only different perceived strengths of value bets... So you really should just be looking at sizing to get called by a small flush that he easily could ck flop and Q turn. Just calling to see what he plays this way also has some value. Being 3b is of no concern, if he does, just fold obv.
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