Playing 1/3. Villain is fishy Indian guy. Calls with a fair amount pre and calls down quite a bit. Assume we're about 100bb effective each hand. How much do I need to be betting in these spots? Feel like I'm missing value. Hands with him:
First hand:
EP guy later raises to 12 in a straddled pot. Villain calls. I make it 40 with black QQ. Thinking reraise more to 50 here. Raiser and villain both call.
J72r (120)
Checks to me and I bet 60. EP folds and villain minraises. I just call as I haven't seen much aggression.
Jx (360)
Villain pushes for 200 and I fold. Really regretting not raising flop. Also 11 cards don't wanna see AKJ almost 25% deck. Claims later he had AJhh.
Next:
Villain raises to 10 in MP. Hero calls 88 in HJ. Four to the flop.
Board K82r (40).
Villain bets 20. I call and others fold.
Turn Q 2nd h (80).
Villain bets 20 and I raise to 80. He calls.
River 7? (240)
Checks to me and I bet 150. He thinks for a while and calls. Claims ace high?
Next hand:
EP guy makes it 6. Not sure what he's doing this with, but I suspect weakish drawing hands as otherwise he's decent. Will raise larger with good hands. Random player calls, I call on CO with 97dd, guy on button calls, villain calls in blinds (he switched seats from my immediate right). Five to the flop:
K42dd (30)
Checks to me and I bet 30. Villain calls and others fold.
Ad (90)
He checks and I bet 50 (for some reason at the time thought pot was 80). Guy checks his hand (for diamond I guess) so probably bet more?
7r (190)
Checks and I bet 75. Thinking flush is obvious and I want top pair to call. He snap calls and later says 2p.
I make it $50 preflop to give setminers poorer IO, but I always err on more conservative side typically aiming for 8:1 here.
I'm feeling pretty committed with this SPR. Even though I'm not thrilled facing the minraise, the guy is a fish and can be overvalueing TP. No reason to raise out TP on a drawless board when they are on a 5outer, so I like the call with the plan to get the rest in on a blank turn.
I'm fine with just flatting flop. Board is bone dry, we're fine enticing others to call, and SPR is ~7, which means it will be easy to play for stacks by the river in position.
I'm also raising the turn because we need to in order to play for stacks by the river.
Pot should be closer to $260-rake on the river, and we have $190 left. Easy shove. Nothing that is calling $150 is folding to $190, so we left money on the table here.
No reason to bet so much on our flop semi-bluff, imo. I'd bet $15 to see if it takes it down; this only has to work half s much as a PSB to be successful, plus if we get raised there is a much better chance we'll be able to call profitably.
Against this guy it sounds like we're cool with playing for stacks in a limped pot, so yeah, I'd bet more to play for stacks by river. $75 into $90 will create a $240 pot for a reasonable shove of $190.
Even as played we have about a PSB left (a little more?), so I'd still shove the river. When he calls the flop and then the overcard turn, there is actually a decent chance he's made two pair, and a fish ain't ever folding that.
Thx gg. I saw a lot of people folding when I played for stacks earlier, so I lowered down but I need to really do against fish. Will post another against decent player...sounds like I still have a lot of work to do.
H1: I agree with the $50 preflop but I do not like 4betting the minraise. You played the hand fine imo. If we reraise he should fold his AJ and we DO NOT want this. The J on turn was just a horrible card. Standard fold although tough.
H2: I prefer raising the flop instead of the turn but it is super dry so I guess calling flop raising turn is ok sometimes too. Otherwise played fine.
H3: $30 on flop seems like too much. Why not make it $20 or $25. Otherwise fine. I like your turn and river sizings.
All 3 hands are OK to me. You just got unlucky on H1. You could suspect him for TP on the flop but got unlucky when the top card got paired. Yes, of course after the fact we can say that you should have folded but that's BS. How can we blame you for that. No! .., man, you are OK. Don't worry about. All is good.
I don't see any misplays here. I don't think jamming on the first hand is necessarily a bad play, but he could easily have a set there also. I think you played well overall.
I don't see any misplays here. I don't think jamming on the first hand is necessarily a bad play, but he could easily have a set there also. I think you played well overall.
I 100% agree with you and the others 2p2ers. He played well. Obviously he's a good player. If I think at his hands, .., well.., I would have played the same. Yes, I would have play those goddamned hand the same. So, I would lose on H1 but make up for on H1+H2. Not a big deal.
I don't think I'm nitpicking when I say that H2 is absolutely *not* fine. On the river we have basically ~nuts, the pot is $260 and Villain only has $190 left. There is absolutely no hand that calls a big $150 and yet doesn't call $190, so against hands that are calling we left $40 of free money on the table. That's ~2 hours of work for decent winners.
I don't think I'm nitpicking when I say that H2 is absolutely *not* fine. On the river we have basically ~nuts, the pot is $260 and Villain only has $190 left. There is absolutely no hand that calls a big $150 and yet doesn't call $190, so against hands that are calling we left $40 of free money on the table. That's ~2 hours of work for decent winners.
I don't think I'm nitpicking when I say that H2 is absolutely *not* fine. On the river we have basically ~nuts, the pot is $260 and Villain only has $190 left. There is absolutely no hand that calls a big $150 and yet doesn't call $190, so against hands that are calling we left $40 of free money on the table. That's ~2 hours of work for decent winners.
GimoG
I don't fully agree, I think all ins are percieved differently even if the betting amounts are comparable, especially from solid players
