This is incredibly bad advice for several reasons, biggest being it ****s up your whole range, because what do you do every time you are the PFR and flop a draw, or second pair, or tpnk?

Bet fold everything? That leaves you easily exploited by people like me who are paying attention to people's betting frequencies. You won't have enough strong hands that you'll be able to defend vs a raise if you bet any piece of the flop (and some air too most likely).

Furthermore, every time you check I can literally bet my whole range, if you have no check calling range because your flop checking range is far too weak. You can say that you're going to mix in some strong hands to check and trap me, but that leaves your betting range even weaker! So either way you are screwed vs good players if you take this approach.
I don't agree with all of your reasoning for doing so, but in general check calling is an underrated play vs all the bet fold robots of live poker.

Sabr Im sorry my exaggerated generalization frustrated you and I'm certainly not worried about being exploited by players like you but my advice still stands fairly strong, most players games would be significantly improved if they never check/called turn rather than x/calling top pair when villains overcall and underbluff.

If you think turn is a check call here, I don't know what to say. In this particular spot villain has mostly Broadway straight draws, worse Kx, some Tx. The value to be had from that range is ott. Checking "to allow villain to bluff" or to "get an extra value bet from 99 otr" or whatever is just really bizarre.

I'm actually not even advocating check calling THIS particular hand. Given that it's 6 handed, I could see myself either checking the flop (to underrep) or betting.

If I bet the flop I quite like overpotting the turn (we don't have a 3 street hand but villain does not have better often on this run out and overpotting allows your range to have more bluffs).

Telling someone that they should never check call flops and turns in general is harmful advice hence I responded to that.

In this particular case, is Villain calling a bet with just a gutshot / over? Doubtful. Thanks to our check, we enticed him to put money in on the turn as a huge dog.

Course, if he's an ABC passive non-bluffy calling station, then betting here is probably better.

Gopponentdependent,imoG

That seems like a gross overplay. We fold out everything worse and get called only by better. Unless there is some crazy metagame and we have a history of overpotting as bluffs, how is overpotting good?

What percent of villain's range is better?

Tiny. So why overpot if we're ahead very often and can get worse to call smaller bets?

Year ago, weak players would make weak plays and declare "Well, I had pot odds". Nowadays, those same weak players make the same weak plays and declare "Well, I was balancing my range".


You may not need to "balance" your range at your level. I don't say that to be mean, so pls don't take the wrong way. It's great that you're thinking about balancing your range, but without knowing the stakes you play, your opponent descriptions, how often you play at this casino, balancing is likely unnecessary.

Under the right circumstances (mainly small stakes), you can play exploitative unbalanced strategy and reap tons of profit. IMHO, probably more profit at low stakes than a GTO, balanced strategy.


Focus on the basic fundamentals and then go from there. I wouldn't even begin to think about balancing your range unless almost everyone at the table is a regular and they play with you often AND it's mid or high stakes like ...maybe... 2/5 and above but more like 5/10 and above.

I'm with SABR that there's nothing inherently wrong with a b/c/b line. On a dryish board, I think is a good way to pick up at least one extra bet. I suspect given SABR's history on big bets over the years, he gets a lot more calls than the average 2+2er on the turn.

As for the hand itself, you're only giving 3 outs to the AQ hand and 6 outs to the AJ hand. If you can't fade 3-6 outs in order to collect another bet, you've got a leak.

I'm just not seeing a compelling reason to not bet the turn, even if we don't expect 3 streets of value we are just giving way too many hands free equity

Those of you advocating a turn check, now that we know it's a six-handed game vs. a bunch of fish, do you still check turn?

On turn pretty comfortable with betting again. V has reasonably something like 15 combos of hands that beat us, and something like 8 worse Ks 36 Ts and apparently more then 40 draws. Don't really see any reason to check turn vs this range, and I'd be comfortable bet/folding against most opponents/unknowns without specific information. X/r turn on this board vs our UTG opening range betting twice isn't something you'll see too often light imo


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So the consensus is to bet turn again for value.

Okay.

So what do we do OTR when called? We're now OOP in a bloated pot with TP2K.

Idk about everyone else, or if it's just a weird kink of short term weirdness, but I'm noticing that I need to double barrel a lot more frequently than I used to at 1/3. I have been betting turn for value with a greater frequency to help balance this. I know lollivebalanceat1/3, but the sort of villains that are more likely to float are also the sort of villains that we should at least think about balancing against.

This is horrible advice. Check/call is a very good strategy against certain people.