to setup a river shove

Against what hand?

feels like KhQh would donk with the intention of 3betting if raised on the flop, no?

Villain isn't donking with the intention of folding to a raise with any part of his range, and we're always ahead? Making it 240 here has no change on the outcome but nets us extra value for the rest of the hand.

It takes all the bluffs out of a solid player's range. And you are giving villain too much credit imo.

People simply don't bluff raise rivers in live poker, and the 1 in 100 that do can exploit me all days as I simply refuse to pay off river reraises out of live players- I'm over it


Ez fold

Fwiw I like turn play..

turn check would be atrocious.

flop sizing is okay, could be more though. 250-270 works good too b/c raise looks strong regardless so just pot it. Anything less than what you raised would be bad.

line is fine, on river b/f > c/c > b/c > c/f

Well hero is IP so hard to c/c or c/f but other than that agree with this 100%. God people saying to check turn or river tilting the **** out of me both really easy vbets.

looks like he got there

most rational response in this entire thread

I look at it like this: we are repping an absolute monster, the villain knows this and STILL check raises the river. This would make it a fold. A tough fold tho.

You really think it's fine to put half your stack into a pot and then decide to fold? I don't play too many hands where I feel like my hand is good enough to commit half my chips, but not good enough to commit my whole stack.

It's generally a good idea to have a solid reason for building a big pot. Otherwise, pot control should come into play. That means checking a street.

Feeling strong enough to bet three streets and get half our money in should lead to happily committing the rest of it.

No top cash game player consistently gets himself this deep into a pot and then slams on the brakes when his opponent sets him all in.

Each decision should be made independently based on probability and odds. The people who make the most money in poker do this/they don't always adhere to the general rules that are in place to protect/guide those who cannot process a bunch of information and think about it critically.

If you never put half your stack in and then fold you are either missing a ton of value or stacking off unnecessarily light. Imo.

This, MBC your post is something you would tell a 1/2 guy first starting out with live poker just to avoid the common pitfalls because he doesn't really use his brain too much when he plays. For a 5/10 player though your logic is just soooo backwards you should decide to bet a certain amount based on the profitability of the bet. If it leads to something that will be unprofitable that's one thing but you're saying you don't do something that is clearly the most profitable play for the sake of having to do something you don't want to without even discussing how profitable it is? It's just horrendous logic although I guess that's why 5/10 live is still so soft because there are countless people with that mentality still.

I did't say never.

I wrote "I don't play too many hands..." and "don't consistently."

Meaning, the idea that checking a street here is a terrible play is incorrect. This is a text book situation for winning a mid sized pot.

I'll reiterate what I posted in my first response...there aren't enough hands we can beat that will call the turn bet and the river bet on this board.

And I agree with you about one dimensional thinking in poker. I've seen a lot of it recently coming from aggressive players and I've noticed that many of them have no concept of checking any turn when there is any kind of draw on the board, as if heads up they are always against a draw. They never play pot control and they never de-leverage. Hence, a turn check from them is always either a nothing hand or the unbeatable nuts.

If you don't take my post personal, you might get something pretty valuable out of it (maybe not). I certainly didn't write it to make you feel bad/put you on the defense. Either way, go Dodgers opening day 2011!

Black and orange.

I'm here kershaw outclassed tim just need over now.