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09-16-2009 , 01:28 AM
<3 this thread.
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09-16-2009 , 02:44 AM
I liked this thread so much, I decided to pay it forward and help someone else out.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96...pt3-fr-585718/

would appreciate some contributions from you mid/high regs. k tks
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09-16-2009 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
i have a hard time balancing between playing way to loose after i build a big stack, and completely nitting it up after i make a few hundred.
in my opinion this is mainly a matter of bankroll management.

this means you have to adapt your strategy to the size of your bankroll. it's probably the most important rule to follow. If you have a small bankroll, you should keep playing tight and hope to book a winning session but with a large bankroll you can just play really loose and really aggro, because you can afford to lose the money that's in front of you. the bigger your stack gets, the looser you should play. if you have 4 times or more the buyin, you should play almost every hand, especially in position. then you can just raise the smaller stacks and put them in a situation where they have to choose between folding and risking to go broke. worst that can happen to you is losing a little bit of your stack, but you remain the chip leader. gl
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09-16-2009 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BT2
in cash games you have to build a big stack early so that you can put pressure on the smaller stacks. dont be afraid to gamble for an allin even if you are an underdog when yo uhave the big stack because it is only for a small percentage of your chips, but for your opponent's entire stack. then they will see that if they mess with you, they could lose all of their money. then you can start raising preflop, because they will fold their blinds to you.
Really?

I love playing against a big stack like this when coming in for a standard BI. To me it is not % of stack but the absolute $$$ that matters. If a big stack wants to get it in with me on a draw, I'll let him. If he beats me I rebuy and get him next time.

The only time I'm ever feel the impact of a big stack at the table is when I also have a big stack. Now he can put pressure on me to make a decision that could cost me 3 BIs. Now a raise on the turn is very scary (but similarly, he will be afraid of my raises too).

In tournament play, I can see a big stack being scary, becaue a decision for all of your chips means you are out and a reduction of 10% of your chips for the big stack doesn't mean much to tournament payout equity. The exchange is unequal. In a cash game if someone wants to give me a 2% edge but I have to gamble all my chips at once, I will. I don't care what percentage of his chips it is. +EV = +EV and -EV = -EV.
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09-16-2009 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mutiger91
Really?

I love playing against a big stack like this when coming in for a standard BI. To me it is not % of stack but the absolute $$$ that matters. If a big stack wants to get it in with me on a draw, I'll let him. If he beats me I rebuy and get him next time.

The only time I'm ever feel the impact of a big stack at the table is when I also have a big stack. Now he can put pressure on me to make a decision that could cost me 3 BIs. Now a raise on the turn is very scary (but similarly, he will be afraid of my raises too).

In tournament play, I can see a big stack being scary, becaue a decision for all of your chips means you are out and a reduction of 10% of your chips for the big stack doesn't mean much to tournament payout equity. The exchange is unequal. In a cash game if someone wants to give me a 2% edge but I have to gamble all my chips at once, I will. I don't care what percentage of his chips it is. +EV = +EV and -EV = -EV.
really
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09-16-2009 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mutiger91
Really?

+EV = +EV and -EV = -EV.
agree with this
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09-16-2009 , 02:26 PM
Try playing dramatically shorter sessions.
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09-16-2009 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BT2
oic, so if they are folding their blinds to us then we should limp instead of raise?
yes of course, you don't make lots of money by getting everyone to fold preflop
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09-16-2009 , 02:29 PM
also rereading my first post i forgot to mention that whoever the chipleader is at the table is almost always the best player at the table so its yet another reason to avoid playing pots with them

mods can u please edit that in my first post, thanks
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09-16-2009 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
yes of course, you don't make money by getting everyone to fold preflop
True, but you don't lose money to a guy with 96 when your aces get cracked because you didn't raise and the flop is 875.
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09-16-2009 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mutiger91
True, but you don't lose money to a guy with 96 when your aces get cracked because you didn't raise and the flop is 875.
? if 96 was suited they were calling pre-flop anyway. also you would win a lot of money when the blinds flop top pair as well with hands they wouldnt have been in normally.
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09-16-2009 , 03:14 PM
so many great points in this thread. its been a long time since quality discussion has been raised, glad to see everyone pitching in.
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09-16-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mutiger91
Really?

I love playing against a big stack like this when coming in for a standard BI. To me it is not % of stack but the absolute $$$ that matters. If a big stack wants to get it in with me on a draw, I'll let him. If he beats me I rebuy and get him next time.

The only time I'm ever feel the impact of a big stack at the table is when I also have a big stack. Now he can put pressure on me to make a decision that could cost me 3 BIs. Now a raise on the turn is very scary (but similarly, he will be afraid of my raises too).

In tournament play, I can see a big stack being scary, becaue a decision for all of your chips means you are out and a reduction of 10% of your chips for the big stack doesn't mean much to tournament payout equity. The exchange is unequal. In a cash game if someone wants to give me a 2% edge but I have to gamble all my chips at once, I will. I don't care what percentage of his chips it is. +EV = +EV and -EV = -EV.
best not to speculate on things you are unable to comprehend
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09-16-2009 , 09:35 PM
Most of the posts are solid, but a few posts try to use sit-n-go strategy on tournaments, which are quite annoying. OP is asking how to keep the chip lead in a tournament at early level, when the blinds are like 3 or 5.

Also +ev is -ev sometimes, say you won a pot off the chip leader, and you annoyed him. He would then try to bust you every hand, which is scary.
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09-16-2009 , 11:32 PM
Amazing content in this thread. I feel like my subscriptions to training sites and all previous reading on 2p2 was a waste compared to the time I spent read this
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09-17-2009 , 05:09 AM
this is the best thread I have read in a long time. excellent spot on strategic advice by all.
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09-17-2009 , 12:46 PM
the only person who could have made this thread better was keli. RIP
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09-17-2009 , 06:56 PM
a lot of junk in this thread....

but serious OP look up "deep stack poker" and learn how to play it.. for eg. when you and opponent are both deep, keep it small earlier on and let the money go in on later streets when you're sure you got him beat.. etc.

also dont bully to the extent of doubling up shortstacks.. esp. when they're in the blinds and will gamble with you when you raise.

try not to make yourself the target when you have a big stack.. I know when I first sit at a table if I see a big stack I analyze his game more seriously because his leaks = my biggest chance for big profit..
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09-18-2009 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mutiger91
Really?

I love playing against a big stack like this when coming in for a standard BI. To me it is not % of stack but the absolute $$$ that matters. If a big stack wants to get it in with me on a draw, I'll let him. If he beats me I rebuy and get him next time.

The only time I'm ever feel the impact of a big stack at the table is when I also have a big stack. Now he can put pressure on me to make a decision that could cost me 3 BIs. Now a raise on the turn is very scary (but similarly, he will be afraid of my raises too).

In tournament play, I can see a big stack being scary, becaue a decision for all of your chips means you are out and a reduction of 10% of your chips for the big stack doesn't mean much to tournament payout equity. The exchange is unequal. In a cash game if someone wants to give me a 2% edge but I have to gamble all my chips at once, I will. I don't care what percentage of his chips it is. +EV = +EV and -EV = -EV.
you're overlooking a really important point here
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